On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:58:12AM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 05:12:44PM +0000, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > 3. Do you think Debian should continue to support non-free? > > > > No. Debian is about creating a operating system with free software, > > and I don't think we should be in the business of distributing > > non-free software. I think we should focus on what we do best (create > > and integrate free software), and this would also get us closer to > > other players in the community, such as the FSF. > > > > Having said this, I don't think the current non-free removal vote is > > being done correctly. If we decide to remove non-free, we have to > > provide a good upgrade plan for our users. Thus, I think we should > > *first* move non-free to something like non-free.org, encourage people > > to use new APT sources list while at the same time supporting the old > > APT lines (i.e. still keeping it on Debian mirrors) for a while. > > I knew *somebody* was going to bite this one. > > It has proven to be difficult to impossible to get people to do any > real work towards doing things in this "obvious" way. > > Taken as a given that everybody either wants to keep non-free or to > remove it (near enough to accurate), I'll introduce this tautology: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The work to provide an upgrade plan for non-free users must be > performed by either or both of these groups: > > (a) Those who wish to see non-free removed > (b) Those who wish to see non-free kept > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Group (a) does not want to do this work because they want to have > nothing to do with non-free. Group (b) does not want to do this work > because they want non-free to be in Debian, not external to it.
Err, no, group (b) does not want to do this work, because it is not worth the effort. I guess it is reasonable to expect that the work be done by those advocating the change over those currently satisfied by the status quo. Friendly, Sven Luther
