Hi Rick I have had a good look around my C drive at "derby" files
I see the latest version of derby I installed was 10.14.2.0 However, the log example I sent you (above) talks about version 10.11.1.0 I also seem to have various length derby.jar files [my bad] I have now ensured that all copies of derby.jar come from version 10.14.2.0 On Monday I shall see what occurs :) Bob M New Zealand -- Sent from: http://apache-database.10148.n7.nabble.com/Apache-Derby-Users-f95095.html