I think this thread really starts confusing.
1. surefire/failsafe is not part of maven so it can not be "dropped"
from maven 4
2. instead I assume the proposal is to replace the default mojo bind to
the test phase in the jar lifecycle(!) to something else
3. This than might result in retiring failsafe/surefire on the long run
Apart from that I already mentioned in the the last "round" for the same
reason it might be better to have no default binding for the test-phase
then everyone can choose what fits best with a simple plugin entry in
the (parent) pom (and no this won't make maven a new ant).
Am 29.09.25 um 13:42 schrieb Gary Gregory:
Curious: What about folks who rely on other frameworks like TestNG?
Gary
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 3:18 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
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Hi all,
I'd like to start a thread about potentially dropping surefire totally.
The rational is that surefire (and failsafe) are mainly an abstraction
layer on top of main test providers.
However, since JUnit5 the platform/engine is itself such an abstraction
layer and a runner.
On another side, testng and junit4 are slowly getting abandonned - even EE
TCK started to move.
In terms of additional features we do have the maven site integratoin - but
I doubt it is much used outside and to be honest it can be replaced with a
github/dev-factory link with more benefit these days.
So overall I think we can converge by dropping surefire plugin in favor of
a thin wrapper of junit5 console runner ([1]).
Short terms I'm sure Christian could help us getting something fast based
on its implementation ([2] - including a small surefire compatibility mode)
and long term it will reduce the maintenance cost we do have for a very
poor gain in current world (site and remoting are no more key features
thanks the CI and doc evolution).
Wdyt? Is maven 4 the mometum to do it?
[1]
https://docs.junit.org/current/user-guide/#running-tests-console-launcher
[2] https://github.com/sormuras/junit-platform-maven-plugin
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