On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 12:33 PM Mike Shaver <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Yes, this is about policy violations that happen to be sanction-related: the 
> CAs say they don’t issue to sanctioned-by-whoever entities, and these are 
> cases where a CA has—perhaps inadvertently—issued to a sanctioned entity.
>
> You can think of it the same way as if this were “vowel watch” for CAs that 
> said “we will never issue to entities with names that contain vowels” but 
> have nonetheless done so. The tool is a way to help the relevant CAs in 
> avoiding or revoking issuance that is counter to their published policies.

Does that include maters lectionis? Unicode/linguistics jokes/special
cases aside, issuance to an entity whose SAN contains a vowel when
they say they won't is a fairly easily determinable fact. Issuance to
a "sanctioned" entity is a much more complicated issue, with potential
licenses, disputes over the scope of sanctions, similarly named
entities, etc. I think avoiding putting these these statements in CPS
etc. is the way to go.

Sincerely,
Watson
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 12:36 PM K. York <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> The website is quite clear that only sanctions regimes covering the CA's 
>> legal entity are being checked for -- US CAs use the US list, EU CAs use the 
>> EU list, etc.
>>
>> ~Kane
>>
>> Sent with Shortwave
>>
>> On Tue Oct 6, 2026, 04:03 PM GMT, Arabella Barks wrote:
>>
>> I also strongly oppose the define of "sanction".
>>
>> Every region, political regime or coalition defines what is "legal" 
>> differently.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example, someone undemocratic government designate human rights 
>> organizations as illegal. Should we consider banning all CAs worldwide from 
>> issuing SSL certificates for these organizations to comply with the wishes 
>> of such government?
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 6, 2026 at 5:19:15 AM UTC+8 Wayne wrote:
>>>
>>> If you believe an entity, domain, or certificate is mislabeled then I'm 
>>> happy to investigate. Otherwise these are all tools that every CA has in 
>>> their usage, I'm just making sure we're all using up to date lists and 
>>> applying them equally.
>>>
>>> Every source has been provided, it should help you if you disagree with my 
>>> assessment.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 5, 2026 at 10:07:27 PM UTC+1 Max wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wayne - can you tell us why you think this is needed?
>>>>
>>>> It seems as though you think 'domain appears on a list' is a same as 
>>>> 'cannot issue a certificate' - can you provide you legal background and 
>>>> explain?
>>>>
>>>> Some of us rely on these free CAs, and are not ""violating"" sanctions.
>>>>
>>>> You are not helping, though you think you are.
>>>>
>>>> Please stop.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2026 at 6:18:01 PM UTC+1 Wayne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the issues CAs have had on checking sanctioned entities against 
>>>>> domains I've put together an automatically updating list of unrevoked, 
>>>>> unexpired certificates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Site: https://sec-wayne.github.io/ct-sanctions-watch/
>>>>> CSV: https://sec-wayne.github.io/ct-sanctions-watch/sanctions.csv
>>>>> JSON: https://sec-wayne.github.io/ct-sanctions-watch/sanctions.json
>>>>> Commit history: 
>>>>> https://github.com/Sec-Wayne/ct-sanctions-watch/commits/main/
>>>>>
>>>>> I've already been in contact with most of the CAs mentioned to give them 
>>>>> a more up to date blocklist. The sources are cited on the page, and 
>>>>> certificates are only included if it's under that CA's legal 
>>>>> jurisdiction. This will be an undercount, but will be replacing the 
>>>>> regular emails CAs have received before.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to keep this up to date going forward. Ideally the CAs will 
>>>>> update their blocklists overall and make this a moot project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Revocations are checked regularly, and expired certificates are also 
>>>>> removed. There'll be a small lag on inclusion as revocation checks are 
>>>>> performed first. This is to cover the case of a post-issuance checks on 
>>>>> the CA's side finding the side and immediately revoking.
>>>>>
>>>>> This will be covering any CA chaining to Mozilla, Chrome, Apple, or 
>>>>> Microsoft via CCADB checks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any questions you know how to contact me.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Wayne
>>
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