I agree on the "The release process has always been a little bit of a pain in the butt". As you say most of people are volunteers so they prefer working on fun part (coding and adding a new features) rather than wasting time on too much (non needed?) procedures. Yup that can be a long discussion.... :-)
On 7 October 2013 07:46, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote: >> >> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for >> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had >> generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out? > > I may be in the minority here, but I think the real problem is too many > components for too few "committed committers". The release process has always > been a little bit of a pain in the butt, but I've never felt blocked by it. > What has taken so long on pool/DBCP is that it is just Mark and I really > digging into the code and we are both busy with other stuff / have limited > time to work on it. Like some other components, the code is also kind of > specialized and the documentation is not the best, making it harder for > others to get involved. Collections went nowhere for a couple of years > because no one stepped up to drive it. Thankfully Thomas did recently and we > got a 4.0 beta. The best thing anyone can do to get a real 4.0 out is start > actually coding on it. > > I honestly think we are making excuses in this thread - the real problem is > dwindling component communities. We need to decide which ones to ale dormant > and make it easier for people to get involved in the active ones. > > >>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote: >>>> Collections 4.x, nuff said >>> >>> Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about >>> math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They >>> will get released. There is activity. I don't get the big problem >>> here. >>> >>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adrian Crum >>>> <adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: >>>>> I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of >>>>> discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing. >>>>> >>>>> Adrian Crum >>>>> Sandglass Software >>>>> www.sandglass-software.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/6/2013 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote: >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we >>>>>> need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission >>>>>> as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish? >>>>>> Who are our users/customers? What non-functional qualities do we want >>>>>> our software to exhibit? How do we want to conduct ourselves? How >>>>>> often do we want to do releases? What else? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > -- Olivier Lamy Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
