On 7 Oct 2013, at 12:58, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO wrote:
Hi Jochen,
Well summarized.
And I think you figured out what the real problem is.
We could work as in Incubator, isn't it?
Having one big umbrella and real subprojects.
What would be the difference to now?
I understand Commons as a project with components which are not
big enough to survive as a tlp. A few components have overlapping
committers but not all. You can't make "sub-pmcs" similar to
podling-pmcs,
otherwise Commons quickly enters Jakarta land.
The only thing which we share all is the site build and the release
process
(both things i personally don't like too much).
If stepping in that direction we maybe should think about grouping sets
of projects like [Collections, Lang] or [Compress, IO] and make them a
TLP on their own.
This will show us if there is enough interest in those components on the
one
hand and reduce the PMC to the really interested people on the other.
For example, it is unlikely that I would ask to join the first group but
pretty sure
that I would ask to join the second.
Cheers
Christian
JLouis
2013/10/7 Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com>
I believe that the problem is Commons structure. To have one big
project
which such a lot of subprojects blocks building a small community.
You're
not supposed to be a part of the small subproject, but the big
community
"Commons". While the former would be appealing for a newcomer, the
latter
just doesn't work (too many unknown people).
I have no alternatives to offer, but my feeling is we should attempt
to
build smaller, more centralized parts with separate mailing lists,
etc.
Obviously, this might lead to a Jakarta-ization, but there are worse
things
than being split into subprojects.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:30 PM, James Carman
<ja...@carmanconsulting.com
wrote:
All,
The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we
need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission
as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish?
Who are our users/customers? What non-functional qualities do we
want
our software to exhibit? How do we want to conduct ourselves? How
often do we want to do releases? What else?
Sincerely,
James
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