Howdy, Lazy consensus?
Again, my main goal is to stir voters up. And if unclear, of course I expect negative votes, but I DO EXPECT votes :D T On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:58 AM Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: > from mobile (sorry for typos ;) > > > On Fri, May 12, 2023, 16:53 Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net> wrote: > > > Howdy Romain, > > > > So here is a catch: this is a completely valid vote started by a member > of > > PMC. > > The reason for it is exactly to shake up things a bit. > > Otherwise, if nobody votes, this vote according to ASF voting guidelines > > will pass. > > > > To pass the VOTE needs at least 3 +1 > And more positive votes than negative > > How vote can pass if nobody votes? > > > > Thanks > > T > > > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:43 AM Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tamas, I don't share the analyzis (and if I would have to vote it > > would > > > be rather negative). > > > Concretely I don't think "This makes it clear that ONLY 72h is totally > > > anti-community and disrespectful." is accurate, less than an off day > > > (sunday) can be but 3 days is generally okish. > > > > > > That said, nobody prevents you to keep a vote running for 1 month, will > > > likely makes it even less interesting, more blocking between projects > and > > > ultimately harder to follow for voters from my experience so I tend to > > > think that even if I strongly share the intent, the solution is not > that > > > great and does not address the actual issue...in particular cause it > > always > > > had been allowed by asf to do so, 3 days is a min. > > > > > > Keep in mind maven is a very split ecosystem and you can rarely vote on > > > everything either by knowledge or by time. Ultimately it could makes > > sense > > > to think to split the community/decrease the number of repos/... > > (thinking > > > out loud trying to find solution to the issue you describe). > > > > > > So maybe start by a check of the last votes you consider being bad, and > > ask > > > why people didnt vote and if there is a way to make them more included > or > > > if the issue is something else (on a personal side I know I tend to > > ignore > > > the votes on projects I never use/contribute to for ex). > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > > > https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > > < > > > > > > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le ven. 12 mai 2023 à 11:32, Tamás Cservenák <csta...@apache.org> a > > écrit > > > : > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > I'd like to propose a change to the ASF Maven voting process (in line > > > with > > > > ASF guidelines): > > > > CHANGE the current "vote open for at least 72h" window to "vote open > > for > > > at > > > > least 30 days, or more". > > > > > > > > Reasoning: > > > > According to paperwork (ASF stats) we have more than 90 voters > > available > > > > (PMCs + committers). > > > > Still, multiple release votes recently were able to pass the > "doorstep" > > > > only by "hunting down" voters and pulling their sleeves (apologies > and > > > > thanks to them). This makes it clear that ONLY 72h is totally > > > > anti-community and disrespectful. Nobody's sleeve should be pulled. > > > That's > > > > disrespectful for sleeves as well (except if you wear a T-shirt). We > > must > > > > serve our project community in the best manner, and let our voters be > > > able > > > > to cast well thought votes in a timely manner, hence increasing the > > > > irrationally short window of opportunity for casting votes IS A MUST. > > And > > > > leave the sleeves alone. > > > > > > > > Sorry, but the vote is open for at least 72 hours ONLY. > > > > > > > > [ ] +1 > > > > [ ] +0 > > > > [ ] -1 > > > > > > > > > >
