Let me get my checkin in before the release.  I'll try to do that
tomorrow.  It's separating the ViewHandlerLanguage strategies into
share.  This will also mean we'll require a new release of share.

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On Dec 29, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>
wrote:

> awesome!
>
> thanks Jacob and Leo!
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Yes, there is a lot of issues solved right now, so I would like to
>> do a
>> release, but right now I'm on vacations until January 10.
>>
>> My personal list of issues to be solved before release a new alpha
>> (maybe we
>> should release as beta or release candidate).
>>
>> MYFACES-2363 ExceptionHandler implementation requires deal with ajax
>> responses
>> MYFACES-2464 Find a way to do not use ELExpressions on jsf.js for
>> getProjectStage
>> Commit all pending patches.
>> Release myfaces-builder-plugin again to include some fixes on
>> component
>> generation for jsf 2.0 (also include @JSFWebConfigParam "deprecated"
>> property).
>>
>> Jakob is doing a great job fixing ExceptionHandler api, so as soon
>> as these
>> issues are solved I'll start the procedure for another release.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Leonardo Uribe
>>
>> 2009/12/29 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say definitely release a new one...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> cool.
>>>>
>>>> Leo, all:
>>>> do you have the feeling we may need a new alpha? I saw some fixes
>>>> coming in, and producing some
>>>> alphas at least gives us more visibility :-)
>>>>
>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>
>>>> -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I deploy a snapshot here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://people.apache.org/repo/m2-snapshot-repository/org/apache/myfaces/core/
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/12/27 Jan-Kees van Andel <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see the problem of building a snapshot, but for some
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>> Continuum is unavailable. I get a "Connection Reset" http error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also not sure if I have build rights in Continuum, but I'm
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> some guys on this thread do...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /JK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/12/26 David Jencks <david_jen...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>> Many thanks for applying this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it doesn't go against any myfaces development policies, it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> if someone could deploy a snapshot built after this patch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=893759
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David, thanks for the patch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Scott O'Bryan
>>>>>>>> <darkar...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yah guys, thanks for clearing that up.  Your right that I
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> a look at the patch and mis understood your proposal.  +1 to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> patch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2009, at 2:27 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>> <mat...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey David,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM, David Jencks
>>>>>>>>>> <david_jen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid there is still a lot of confusion about the
>>>>>>>>>>> proposed
>>>>>>>>>>> patch.  The
>>>>>>>>>>> comments don't appear to me to relate to the patch.   I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>>>> proceed other than through excessive and rather obnoxious
>>>>>>>>>>> repetition, for
>>>>>>>>>>> which I apologize.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-) No worries
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  If there is some more information I could provide to
>>>>>>>>>>> clear things up please let me know what it is.  I could
>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>> before-and-after manifest.mf but in my experience these are
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> hard to
>>>>>>>>>>> see what is going on in due to the rather opaque formatting
>>>>>>>>>>> rules,
>>>>>>>>>>> I think
>>>>>>>>>>> the maven-bundle-plugin configuration from the patch is a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>> clearer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 on a patch
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Scott O'Bryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think I agree with Matthias that this may be
>>>>>>>>>>> problematic.  If
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> compile
>>>>>>>>>>> something against Servlet 3.0 classes, you very well may run
>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> runtime issues if you then try to use those binaries in a
>>>>>>>>>>> Servlet
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5 type
>>>>>>>>>>> environment.  You generally *WILL NOT* run into problems
>>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> reverse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> True, but irrelevant to the change proposed in the patch.
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> patch does
>>>>>>>>>>> not change any dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that was misunderstood ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now that's not to say it's impossible.  Trinidad, for
>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>> builds
>>>>>>>>>>> against the Portlet 2.0 jars yet we work in Portlet 1.0 as
>>>>>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>>>>>> but we had
>>>>>>>>>>> to use a bunch of proxy objects attached to interfaces and
>>>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> reflection to get this to work correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess I'm wondering what issue you have right now with the
>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> None, I'm not proposing changing any dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it is now more clear
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because myfaces depends on Servlet 2.5 does not mean
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> geronimo
>>>>>>>>>>> can't depend on Servlet 3.0.  They should both be "provided"
>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The patch does not relate to maven dependencies in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, correct
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you *DO* need Servlet 3.0 support as a library, I would
>>>>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>>>>>> adding it
>>>>>>>>>>> as a profile which DOES NOT run by default..  Just my $.02..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A profile would not be able to affect this issue, since we
>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> osgi metadata in the published jars.  We don't care what
>>>>>>>>>>> myfaces
>>>>>>>>>>> builds
>>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fair enough :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, here's the patch:
>>>>>>>>>>> Index: impl/pom.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> --- impl/pom.xml        (revision 892639)
>>>>>>>>>>> +++ impl/pom.xml        (working copy)
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -223,13 +223,13 @@
>>>>>>>>>>>                   javax.ejb;resolution:=optional,
>>>>>>>>>>>                   javax.el;version="[1.0.0, 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>>                   javax.naming,
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.persistence;version="[1.0.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)";resolution:=optional,
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.portlet;version="[1.0.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)";resolution:=optional,
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet;version="[2.5.0, 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet.http;version="[2.5.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet.jsp;version="[2.1.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.persistence;version="[1.0.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.1)";resolution:=optional,
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.portlet;version="[1.0.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.1)";resolution:=optional,
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet;version="[2.5.0, 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet.http;version="[2.5.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet.jsp;version="[2.1.0, 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.core;version="[1.1.2,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet.jsp.tagext;version="[2.1.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet.jsp.tagext;version="[2.1.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>>                   javax.xml.parsers,
>>>>>>>>>>>                   org.apache;resolution:=optional,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.commons.beanutils;version="[1.7.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> Index: api/pom.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> --- api/pom.xml (revision 892639)
>>>>>>>>>>> +++ api/pom.xml (working copy)
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -221,12 +221,12 @@
>>>>>>>>>>>                 </Export-Package>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 <Import-Package>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   javax.el;version="[1.0.0, 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet;version="[2.5.0, 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet.http;version="[2.5.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet.jsp;version="[2.1.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet;version="[2.5.0, 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet.http;version="[2.5.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet.jsp;version="[2.1.0, 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.core;version="[1.1.2,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.sql;version="[1.1.2,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> -                  javax.servlet.jsp.tagext;version="[2.1.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>> +                  javax.servlet.jsp.tagext;version="[2.1.0,
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.1)",
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.commons.logging;version="[1.1.1,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0)",
>>>>>>>>>>>                   javax.faces.*;version="${project.version}"
>>>>>>>>>>>                 </Import-Package>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's fairly clear that this does not change the
>>>>>>>>>>> maven
>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>> or what myfaces is building against.  All it does is allow
>>>>>>>>>>> myfaces
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> used in an osgi environment with a servlet 3 spec jar.
>>>>>>>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>> not possible.  This is blocking geronimo-myfaces 2
>>>>>>>>>>> integration.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine any scenario that currently works that this proposed
>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> affect, all it does is allow myfaces to be used in more
>>>>>>>>>>> environments.  If
>>>>>>>>>>> you think this change will prevent a currently working
>>>>>>>>>>> scenario
>>>>>>>>>>> from working
>>>>>>>>>>> please explain what it is and how.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think I am totally fine on the <Import-Package> changes.
>>>>>>>>>> Let me give your patch a try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David, thanks for bugging you on that, again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David Jencks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure you understand what Ivan is requesting.  The
>>>>>>>>>>> osgi
>>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>>>>> version metadata does not specify what jar myfaces is built
>>>>>>>>>>> against, but
>>>>>>>>>>> does restrict which package versions myfaces can be used
>>>>>>>>>>> with in
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> osgi
>>>>>>>>>>> environment.   While the osgi package version metadata is
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>> of javaee
>>>>>>>>>>> specs, there seems to be general agreement that the spec
>>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>> used as the package version for api jars.  So, in order for
>>>>>>>>>>> myfaces
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> used in a javee 6 environment, it needs to allow wiring to a
>>>>>>>>>>> servlet 3.0
>>>>>>>>>>> spec jar.  That doesn't mean that you need to build myfaces
>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> servlet 3 jar, nor does it prevent myfaces from working with
>>>>>>>>>>> servlet 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>> spec jars in, say, a javaee 5 environment.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate it if someone could update trunk for this
>>>>>>>>>>> so we
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>>> with integrating myfaces 2 in geronimo.  I've attached a
>>>>>>>>>>> suitable
>>>>>>>>>>> patch to
>>>>>>>>>>>  MYFACES-2290 as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12428613/allow-ee6-versioned-apis.diff
>>>>>>>>>>> With this patch we can at least start a server that has
>>>>>>>>>>> loaded
>>>>>>>>>>> myfaces 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hopefully soon we'll be able to run the ee6 version of
>>>>>>>>>>> the tck.
>>>>>>>>>>> many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we can't use servlet 3.0.0 yet. Not yet final ...
>>>>>>>>>>> and jsf 2.0 has _no_ dependency to it...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Ivan <xhh...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, is it possible to update the accepted servlet spec
>>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.0 in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the configurations of maven-bundle-plugin?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/11/26 Werner Punz <werner.p...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was running the needed tasks to get the 2.0.0-alpha
>>>>>>>>>>> release of
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MyFaces core out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that this vote concerns all of the following
>>>>>>>>>>> parts:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  1. Maven artifact group "org.apache.myfaces.shared"
>>>>>>>>>>> v4.0.1-alpha
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  2. Maven artifact group "org.apache.myfaces.test" v1.0.0-
>>>>>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  3. Maven artifact group "org.apache.myfaces.core" v2.0.0-
>>>>>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The artifacts are deployed to my private Apache account
>>>>>>>>>>> ([1] and
>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for binary and source packages).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The release notes could be found at [4].
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also the clirr test does not show binary incompatibilities
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> myfaces-api.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look at the "2.0.0-alpha" artifacts and vote!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please note: This vote is "majority approval" with a
>>>>>>>>>>> minimum of
>>>>>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  +1 votes (see [3]).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 for community members who have reviewed the bits
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 for fatal flaws that should cause these bits not to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> released,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  and why..............
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://people.apache.org/~lu4242/myfaces200alpha
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#ReleaseVotes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://people.apache.org/~lu4242/myfaces200alphabinsrc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  [4]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10600&styleName=Html&version=12313389
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Grant Smith
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
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