> > yes, that's up to Ali :-) But generally yes, why not. > ... or + aditional contributions to myfaces-core ;-) >
I am OK with it, I would be very happy to contribute to core :) Default => if OK with TCK > CTX-Param => just in case if TCK does complain ... ;) > Let's see whether TCK complains or not. I can try running TCK, but may need your help here. I would rather go with a context parameter. > ... > Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but we > should be very careful with those things. > Ok, I think so. Greetings, Ali On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>wrote: > FYI > > http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR > > is deprecated now > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel > <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't > remember) > > to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a > > colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also > > heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid > > according to the HTML spec. > > right, but wasn't understood at the time of writing the JSF spec ;-) > > > > > I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should > always > > render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of > the > > page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec > > doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good > stuff. > > yes, but TCK is not unimportant; we can always bring up issues, to the EG. > This has NEVER been a big problem, so I'd stick with that way! > > > > > Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5 > > support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written > to > > the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of > the > > developer. > > placeholder is a no-go anyway. If someone adds the <hx:xyz> components > (that target html5), I don't see a reason to do baby-sitting :-) > > the required can be via flag, as said before > > > > > Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but > we > > should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a > mess. > > Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all > > HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit. > > I think the GSOC proposal does speak of a HTML5_RenderKit :-) > Not sure how that differs from your point. > > Martin just said something like "if possible, add html5 stuff already > today" (however that is possible) > > -Matthias > > > > > My 2 cents... > > > > /JK > > > > > > 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com> > >> > >> Hi guys, > >> > >> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we > can > >> > set > >> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input. > >> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is > >> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted. > >> > > >> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> > >> > since it > >> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used > >> > for > >> > this. > >> > > >> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if > >> > <h:inputText > >> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by > >> > > >> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with > >> > rendering "required" element attribute if set; > >> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use > >> > optional > >> > HTML5. > >> > > >> > Is this possible? > >> > >> I would rather go with a context parameter. > >> > >> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as > >> > Jakob > >> > said. > >> > >> yes > >> > >> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to > >> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one > which > >> > fits > >> > in the discussed case is "required". > >> > >> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should > >> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like > >> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think. > >> > >> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. > >> > > >> > Yeah, I think so. > >> > >> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;) > >> > >> best regards, > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr < > jakob.korh...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I like Martin's idea. > >> >> > >> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a > HTML5 > >> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has > >> >> to be > >> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> Jakob > >> >> > >> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek > >> >>> <mmarinsc...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >>> > Hi Ali, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > great that you start out with this! > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this > support > >> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required > attribute > >> >>> > - > >> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute > out, > >> >>> > if necessary. > >> >>> > >> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing > >> >>> > >> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be > >> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a > new > >> >>> > namespace, as you suggested. > >> >>> > >> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think > this > >> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > best regards, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Martin > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread: > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some > >> >>> >> work > >> >>> >>> has already been done on that. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> You're right. > >> >>> >> Removed it. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr > >> >>> >> <jakob.korh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>> Hi, > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :) > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have > a > >> >>> >>> parent > >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and > "gsoc" > >> >>> >>> labeled) > >> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would > >> >>> >>> create > >> >>> >>> all > >> >>> >>> the > >> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project > >> >>> >>> issue. > >> >>> >>> So we > >> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this: > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 > >> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit > >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit > >> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit > >> >>> >>> ... > >> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2 > >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2 > >> >>> >>> ... > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> What do you think? > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> Regards, > >> >>> >>> Jakob > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>>> One thing, > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread: > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression > some > >> >>> >>>> work > >> >>> >>>> has already been done on that. > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> -Matthias > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> > >> >>> >>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> > Hi, > >> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews. > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more > >> >>> >>>> >> appropriate > >> >>> >>>> >> for > >> >>> >>>> >> the > >> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx > >> >>> >>>> >> sounds > >> >>> >>>> >> like > >> >>> >>>> HTML > >> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension. > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct. > >> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a > cool > >> >>> >>>> > prefix > >> >>> >>>> later > >> >>> >>>> > :) > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent > out): > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits > >> >>> >>>> >> best. > >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > Thanks :) > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > Regards, > >> >>> >>>> > --Ali > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> > <mat...@apache.org > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> OK, > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent > out): > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits > >> >>> >>>> >> best. > >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < > >> >>> >>>> mat...@apache.org> > >> >>> >>>> >> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> > Ah, > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > interesting: > >> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it. > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets: > >> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010 > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries. > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA > >> >>> >>>> >> > ticket. > >> >>> >>>> >> > After > >> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel > >> >>> >>>> >> > <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :) > >> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK > >> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-) > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> this > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira. > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good. > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate > >> >>> >>>> for > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named > h5. > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension. > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards, > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civ...@gmail.com> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali! > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <brunoara...@gmail.com> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too! > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <mat...@apache.org > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali, > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me. > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ? > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi, > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here : > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5 > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback? > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > wiki. > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards, > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > -- > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> -- > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > -- > >> >>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> > > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> -- > >> >>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > -- > >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> -- > >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> -- > >> >>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >> >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >> >>> >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > -- > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://www.irian.at > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> >>> > JSF Consulting, Development and > >> >>> > Courses in English and German > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> > >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> http://www.irian.at > >> > >> Your JSF powerhouse - > >> JSF Consulting, Development and > >> Courses in English and German > >> > >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
