On 10/29/2014 01:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 28/10/14 18:07, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> >> On 10/28/2014 01:28 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>> On 27/10/14 21:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>>> Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>>>> Well I think we added all languages on Pootle where we see activities or >>>>> interest in working on the translation. Why should we add languages >>>>> where nobody is working on? I don't get it. >>>> >>>> That was an example, but still it is one improvement that needs to be >>>> done. Why? Because volunteers are much more likely to be involved if >>>> they can have an idea of what they would be working on, and because we >>>> can't keep volunteers waiting too much. >>>> >>>> Concrete example: http://markmail.org/message/usn5khq3imrdibzq Sinhala >>>> (si) was requested two weeks ago and >>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/si/ >>>> hasn't been imported yet. >>> >>> The natural way would have been to submit an issue task to integrate it. >>> I am currently don't follow the l10n list in detail and easy miss such >>> requests that are on the mailing list only. >>> >>> Documenting the current process is still a to-do on my long list and >>> it's too bad that we won't make progress with the genlang project. I >>> believe it is dead and nobody really knows enough details to continue >>> (probably). >>> >>> Anyway if somebody feels motivated to work on translation relevant task >>> on Pootle just ask. Don't wait on me until I have documented everything. >>> Asking directly is much more efficient. >>> >>> Juergen >> >> OK. I have some questions. How often are uploads to Pootle done? How are >> they done? It seems people designated as Pootle admins can do this and >> that's it. The reason I ask is we've had changes to helpcontent and >> these were not in the content I saw on Pootle. I can't find a "time >> stamp" for recent uploads, etc. > > not often it requires some work and takes some time because I do it semi > automatic. I didn't spend much time to improve this process. I was more > happy that it worked at all ;-) And with the promising work on genLang > with the outlook to have continuous integration in Pootle and vice versa > I worked around this limitations all the time. > > General workflow: > - normal development work ... > - UI deadline for a next release with UI changes > - collect all UI relevant strings and create a new en-US sdf file > - convert sdf -> po > - update Pootle, merge all existing translation with the new po files > - start translation on the new or changed strings until translation deadline > - translation deadline -> grab the new translation from Pootle > - convert po -> sdf -> some basic error checks against the en-US > template -< test build -> check in in svn -> add new languages to build > bots if necessary > > The last time we have updated Pootle for AOO 4.0 and after this we have > only improved existing translation. AOO 4.0 was the last release with UI > changes. > > You see the problem and that it is far from optimal. Jan and the genLang > project were going the in the right direction. Drop the sdf file which > is an unnecessary intermediate format from former times and not really > necessary today. And integrate changes in the po files more frequently > on a regular basis. And have a streamlined process to merge new > translation back into the sources also on a regular basis. > > The biggest work in this project was to eliminate the sdf format and > adapt all process to collect UI string in sdf and back to use po files > directly. Jan did all the work in the genlang branch and I am sure if he > get asked directly he will give some support. > > > Juergen
Thanks for this explanation of the process. It is more complicated than I had thought. I knew about the SDf intermediaries but didn't quite understand the reasoning behind it. I will take a look at genLang and get in touch with Jan. > > > > > > > >> >>> >>> >>> Probably you are now the only person who has >>>> the skills and the permissions on the relevant systems to help with >>>> this. If you take care of documenting the process in the wiki in >>>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide (or a sibling page) >>>> this time, we may be able to delegate it the next time the need arises, >>>> and then maybe find someone who will progressively import the SDF files >>>> to Pootle: keeping only the SDF is really bad since one can't see >>>> progress or submit a quick fix, and if everything is on Pootle we lower >>>> the entry barrier. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Andrea. >>>> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star." -- Friedrich Nietzsche --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
