On 10/18/2017 3:39 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
On 10/18/2017 03:11 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
We expect PMC members to have a deep sense of responsibility
to their projects. When they cast a binding vote, we trust that
they have satisfied themselves enough to warrant them casting
the vote. That, alone, should be sufficient, imo.
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Thanks to Pedro for pointing out that language and to Dave for taking
action on it.
For the record I only counted binding votes when they were explicitly
cast as such.
Perhaps this is my error.
I didn't base it on steps taken as listing them is not a requirement
that I'm aware of.
Question..
If a PMC member cast a vote should it always be counted as binding
whether stated explicitly or not?
The vote counting is really only for ASF rule conformance. The way it
really works for AOO, even a single properly justified -1, regardless of
source, stops the release in its tracks. Similarly, any +1 increases
confidence in the release.
Maybe we need to ask for review of
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval at the
same time as looking at the voting process documentation. If taken
literally, a PMC member who cannot do builds from source can't cast a +1
vote, because their vote is binding and a binding +1 requires a build
from source.
What I would like is to change it to require at least three PMC members
to declare they have done a build from source and tested the result.
Other PMC members could vote based on binary testing and signature
checking without building.
If we tried to follow the ASF policies literally only the handful of us
who are set up to build AOO would have any voice at all in releases,
which is ridiculous.
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