Reminds me of a case of flogging a dead horse.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse>

This has already been discussed many times and there is no need for further
discussion or summary.
The newly created stack community sparkcommunitytalk.slack.com is a reality
and is there to stay. I don't see any competition with dev or user mailing
lists. Please respect members' democratic values.


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On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 06:51, Dongjoon Hyun <dongjoon.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you so much, Denny.
> Yes, let me comment on a few things.
>
> >  - While there is an ASF Slack <https://infra.apache.org/slack.html>, it
> >    requires an @apache.org email address
>
> 1. This sounds a little misleading because we can see `guest` accounts in
> the same link. People can be invited by "Invite people to ASF" link. I
> invited you, Denny, and attached the screenshots.
>
> >   using linen.dev as its Slack archive (so we can surpass the 90 days
> limit)
>
> 2. The official Foundation-supported Slack workspace preserves all
> messages.
>     (the-asf.slack.com)
>
> > Why: Allows for the community to have the option to communicate with each
> > other using Slack; a pretty popular async communication.
>
> 3. ASF foundation not only allows but also provides the option to
> communicate with each other using Slack as of today.
>
> Given the above (1) and (3), I don't think we asked the right questions
> during most of the parts.
>
> 1. Shall we narrow-down our focus on comparing the ASF Slack vs another
> 3rd-party Slack because all of us agree that this is important?
> 2. I'm wondering what ASF misses here if Apache Spark PMC invites all
> remaining subscribers of `user@spark` and `dev@spark` mailing lists.
>
> Thanks,
> Dongjoon.
>
> [image: invitation.png]
> [image: invited.png]
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 7:23 PM Denny Lee <denny.g....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There have been a number of threads discussing creating a Slack for the
>> Spark community that I'd like to try to help reconcile.
>>
>> Topic: Slack for Spark
>>
>> Why: Allows for the community to have the option to communicate with each
>> other using Slack; a pretty popular async communication.
>>
>> Discussion points:
>>
>>    - There are other ASF projects that use Slack including Druid
>>    <https://druid.apache.org/community/>, Parquet
>>    <https://parquet.apache.org/community/>, Iceberg
>>    <https://iceberg.apache.org/community/>, and Hudi
>>    <https://hudi.apache.org/community/get-involved/>
>>    - Flink <https://flink.apache.org/community/> is also using Slack and
>>    using linen.dev as its Slack archive (so we can surpass the 90 days
>>    limit) which is also Google searchable (Delta Lake
>>    <https://www.linen.dev/s/delta-lake/> is also using this service as
>>    well)
>>    - While there is an ASF Slack <https://infra.apache.org/slack.html>,
>>    it requires an @apache.org email address to use which is quite
>>    limiting which is why these (and many other) OSS projects are using the
>>    free-tier Slack
>>    - It does require managing Slack properly as Slack free edition
>>    limits you to approx 100 invites.  One of the ways to resolve this is to
>>    create a bit.ly link so we can manage the invites without regularly
>>    updating the website with the new invite link.
>>
>> Are there any other points of discussion that we should add here?  I'm
>> glad to work with whomever to help manage the various aspects of Slack
>> (code of conduct, linen.dev and search/archive process, invite
>> management, etc.).
>>
>> HTH!
>> Denny
>>
>>
>>

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