Hi, After all the fireworks and quote "this super duper topic" has a decision being made on what to use as the official or endorsed slack type platform? This I think would be most useful for the monolithic product release votes a least (yep the one with +1 etc).
To be fair, there has been a lot of heat but little light so to speak. In the meantime you are welcome to use the Apache spark community sparkcommunitytalk.slack.com run by community for the community. I have been told that some of the features may not work after the trial period is over but otherwise OK. However I believe this should be the case with any slack (Non Pro) use, including the one mentioned as Delta Lake slack unless subsidised. The membership numbers should be taken with caution as my understanding is that only admin can remove members. Mich Talebzadeh, Lead Solutions Architect/Engineering Lead Palantir Technologies Limited London United Kingdom view my Linkedin profile <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mich-talebzadeh-ph-d-5205b2/> https://en.everybodywiki.com/Mich_Talebzadeh *Disclaimer:* Use it at your own risk. Any and all responsibility for any loss, damage or destruction of data or any other property which may arise from relying on this email's technical content is explicitly disclaimed. The author will in no case be liable for any monetary damages arising from such loss, damage or destruction. On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 22:28, Dongjoon Hyun <dongjoon.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you, Chitral. > > Dongjoon > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:08 AM Chitral Verma <chitralve...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Thanks for starting a discussion on this super-important topic. >> >> I'm not sure if this is already considered, but Discord is also a viable >> option and many many open-source projects and communities are using it. >> >> - It's *mostly* free with no online user limitations like slack. >> - Has a big feature overlap with Slack. >> - Sign up process is simple and straightforward. Clients for web/ >> desktop/ mobile are available. >> - Policies and controlling can be possibly done via bots + designated >> channel managers. >> - allows channels like Slack for the organisation of messages. >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 08:09, Dongjoon Hyun <dongjoon.h...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Holden, Bjorn, Maciej. >>> >>> Yes, those are also valid. >>> >>> Dongjoon. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 4:20 AM Maciej <mszymkiew...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> @Bjørn Matrix (represented by element in the linked summary. Also, >>>> since the last year, Rocket Chat uses Matrix under the hood) is already >>>> used for user support and related discussions for a number of large >>>> projects, since gitter migrated there. And it is not like we need Slack or >>>> its replacement in the first place. Some of the Slack features are useful >>>> for us, but its not exactly the best tool for user support IMHO. >>>> >>>> @Dongjoon There are probably two more things we should discuss: >>>> >>>> - What are data privacy obligations while keeping a communication >>>> channel, advertised as official, outside the ASF? Does it put it out of >>>> scope for the ASF legal and data privacy teams? >>>> >>>> If I recall correctly, Slack requires at least some of the >>>> formalities to be handled by the primary owner and as far as I am aware >>>> the >>>> project is not a legal person. Not sure how linen.dev or another >>>> retention tool fits into all of that, but it's unrealistic to expect it >>>> makes things easier. >>>> >>>> This might sound hypothetical, but we've already seen users leaking >>>> sensitive information on the mail list and requesting erasure (which, >>>> luckily for us, is not technically possible). >>>> >>>> - How are we going to handle moderation, if we assume number of >>>> users comparable to Delta Lake Slack and open registration? At minimum >>>> we >>>> have to ensure that the ASF Code of Conduct is respected. An official >>>> channel or not, failure to do that reflects badly on the project, the >>>> ASF >>>> and all of us. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Maciej >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/7/23 21:02, Bjørn Jørgensen wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, I have done some search for slack alternatives >>>> <https://itsfoss.com/open-source-slack-alternative/> >>>> I feel that we should do some search, to find if there can be a >>>> better solution than slack. >>>> For what I have found, there are two that can be an alternative for >>>> slack. >>>> >>>> Rocket.Chat <https://www.rocket.chat/> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> Zulip Chat <https://zulip.com> >>>> Zulip Cloud Standard is free for open-source projects >>>> <https://zulip.com/for/open-source/> >>>> Witch means we get >>>> >>>> - Unlimited search history >>>> - File storage up to 10 GB per user >>>> - Message retention policies >>>> <https://sparkzulip.zulipchat.com/help/message-retention-policy> >>>> - Brand Zulip with your logo >>>> - Priority commercial support >>>> - Funds the Zulip open source project >>>> >>>> >>>> Rust is using zulip <https://forge.rust-lang.org/platforms/zulip.html> >>>> >>>> We can import chats from slack >>>> <https://sparkzulip.zulipchat.com/help/import-from-slack> >>>> We can use zulip for events <https://zulip.com/for/events/> With multi-use >>>> invite links <https://zulip.com/help/invite-new-users>, there’s no >>>> need to create individual Zulip invitations. This means that PMC >>>> doesn't have to send a link to every user. >>>> CODE BLOCKS >>>> >>>> Discuss code with ease using Markdown code blocks, syntax highlighting, >>>> and code playgrounds >>>> <https://zulip.com/help/code-blocks#code-playgrounds>. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> fre. 7. apr. 2023 kl. 18:54 skrev Holden Karau <hol...@pigscanfly.ca>: >>>> >>>>> I think there was some concern around how to make any sync channel >>>>> show up in logs / index / search results? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 9:41 AM Dongjoon Hyun <dongjoon.h...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, All. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm very satisfied with the focused and right questions for the real >>>>>> issues by removing irrelevant claims. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me collect your relevant comments simply. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> # Category 1: Invitation Hurdle >>>>>> >>>>>> > The key question here is that do PMC members have the bandwidth of >>>>>> inviting everyone in user@ and dev@? >>>>>> >>>>>> > Extending this to inviting everyone on @user (over >4k subscribers >>>>>> according to the previous thread) might be a stretch, >>>>>> >>>>>> > we should have an official project Slack with an easy invitation >>>>>> process. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> # Category 2: Controllability >>>>>> >>>>>> > Additionally. there is no indication that the-asf.slack.com is >>>>>> intended for general support. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I would also lean towards a standalone workspace, where we have >>>>>> more control over organizing the channels, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> # Category 3: Policy Suggestion >>>>>> >>>>>> > *Developer* discussions should still happen on email, JIRA and >>>>>> GitHub and be async-friendly (72-hour rule) to fit the ASF’s development >>>>>> model. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any other questions? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dongjoon. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/holdenkarau >>>>> Books (Learning Spark, High Performance Spark, etc.): >>>>> https://amzn.to/2MaRAG9 <https://amzn.to/2MaRAG9> >>>>> YouTube Live Streams: https://www.youtube.com/user/holdenkarau >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bjørn Jørgensen >>>> Vestre Aspehaug 4, 6010 Ålesund >>>> Norge >>>> >>>> +47 480 94 297 >>>> >>>> >>>>
