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> No I am not asking for continuous testing. I am asking that if people
> really care about the hardware support they get in the muck and do
> just a little of the work in an organized fashion. Put together a Mac
> SIG that focuses on getting the best experience on the hardware. Send
> some QA people newer Macs. Otherwise how do people know that it is
> really important to you versus "I have 4 minutes on the internet so I
> can send a complaint email" important. Because at this point that is
> all this looks like.

So, I can't say that the problem is more systemic than what you describe
without making it seem like I'm "sending a complaint email". Let me know
if you want a list of hardware enablement I've done on Macs over the years.

> For example, in the past 4 years the ARM builders have been nothing
> but a pain in the ass, but they are kept going because there are
> people who banded together and do a lot of the work. Yes there are the
> various people who show up and expect XYZ board to be magically
> supported but there are still a lot of people who show up, test the
> bugs on what they find important to them and those boards get covered.
> If the Mac is important enough, pick a couple of models which are what
> you are going to focus on and season the pot.

Apples and oranges. There's no installer on ARM. There's no need to wipe
all your data on a desktop system that you have one unit of.

The *installer* breaking is a very different proposition to whatever piece
of software breaking. We don't release updated installers. Making it 
uninstallable
means people will just not use any of our software. And it's even worse
when 1) it was supported and working 2) it probably worked better than
most other distributions.
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