Am 12.09.2015 um 16:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski:
On 09/11/2015 08:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:Am 11.09.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Orion Poplawski:What does Fedora users gain with "dnf install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and "pip install ipython"?a clean and maintainable installation over years instead a mess breaking sooner or laterI'm sorry, but this seems like a bit of a knee jerk reaction. Are pip and gem that bad? Certainly maybe just some bugs to fix?
you even refuse trying to understand what i talk aboutit's not a matter if they are that bad from a sysadmin perspective, you lose the central management and can no longer guarantee that you have repeatable installations when you do exactly the same 3 days later on a production machine which was tested - you may get newer versions
when i type "distribute-updates.sh" or "distribute-install.sh meta-package" i can be 100% sure in which state the destination ends
I am aware of the critical bug with pip currently on Fedora in that it installs in the system python directories directly overwriting rpm packages. But hopefully we can get that fixed. Although the fact that this bug has been open for 5 years does not give me much hope:
that is the worst case of allbut you don't need such a bug when we talk over maintaining machines for many years, sooner or later you will have conflicts which happens als for rpm sometimes, with every additional package management you increase the probability
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=662034 Although at least it looks like everyone (at least on the Fedora side) is in favor, just no one to drive the work.
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