Barusan saya bilang saya baru tahu STI. Maka itu saya bertanya, apa ada organisasi SEB? kalau ada, ya sini saya kasih tahu bank account nya. Saya bantu mencarikan dana. Ini kan milis Buddhisme, seputar Buddhisme. Setahu saya STI bukan socially engaged buddhism, makanya biar STI tergugahkan dulu kalau ada yang suka nyumbang untuk socially engaged buddhism. Mahayana organisation, saya tahu adalah Tzu Chi; ada yang bisa kasih tahu saya alamat Tzu Chi pusat, rekan-rekan...?
Michael S. >From: "Giri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Dharmajala@yahoogroups.com >To: <Dharmajala@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [Dharmajala] Re: [MUBI] RE: Message not approved: >[Discourses_of_the_Buddha] Re: Please helpEngagedBuddhism >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:53:02 +0700 > > >Saya justru tanya. Kan anda yang promosi nih, emang SEB di STI itu seperti >apa? Dan bagaimana? APa tidak ada SEB di tempat lain? Apa di Mahayana, Tzu >Chi atau yang laen, tidak ada SEB? > >Mohon dijelaskan dongggg... > > >salam > > >Giri > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael suswanto > > > ;-) Saya tahunya baru STI. Ada organisasi penampungan SEB? Tolong bagi >yang > tahu, saya diberi tahu. > > Terima Kasih > > Salam, > Michael S > > >From: "Giri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Bro Michael, > > > >Bila memang anda ingin mempromosikan SEB, apakah tidak sebaiknya >seluruh > >komunitas buddhis, bukan hanya satu saja? > >Mengenai gerakan SEB, apakah di STI itu sudah ada dan berjalan dengan >baik? > >Di Indonesia yang menjalankan SEB itu siapa saja? Boleh saya tahu. > > > >Belakangan ini, saya sih termasuk, keributan di tempat lain dibawa2 ke > >mana2. Maklum sudah pada jago2 meditasi sih, sehingga tidak ada namanya > >etika, kemelekatan atas etika sudah hilang. Termasuk email ini yah, > >harusnya > >japri malah dibuka kemana2. > > > >Hahahahaha... sungguh benar2 suatu pencapaian. > > > > > > > >salam > > > > > > > >Giri > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Michael suswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Bung moderator Dharmajala, kalau Anda cerdik, anda justru akan > > > menyebarluaskannya. Karena dalam message itu saya mengatakan: > > > > > > >For one who'd like to donate, please somehow make the receiver know > >that > > > >the > > > >donation is for schools, universities, or clinics (not for Viharas > > > >in Indonesia that are already many and quite luxuriant; this part >we > > > >have other party's donation). > > > > > > [Terjemahan: Untuk orang yang ingin memberi dana (donasi), mohon > >bagaimana > > > caranya, buatlah si penerima mengetahui bahwa donasi ini adalah >untuk > > > sekolah, universitas, klinik (bukan untuk Vihara di Indonesia yang >sudah > > > banyak dan lumayan mewah; karena bagian ini sudah ada donaturnya > >sendiri).] > > > > > > Jadi begini bung moderator, donasi dari donatur luar itu kan juga > >akhirnya > > > buat SEB (Scially Engaged Buddhism); sekolah, universitas, klinik. > > > > > > Dan ini "menggugah" si penerima (Sangha Theravada Indonesia) >mengenai > > > adanya simpati akan Socially Enggaed Buddhism (SEB) DI INDONESIA >dari > >luar > > > negeri. > > > > > > Dapat dana untuk social institutions, kok ndak mau... . Kan Socially > > > Engaged. > > > > > > Salam metta, > > > Michael S > > > > > > >From: "dharmajala_owner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Michael suswanto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: Message not approved: [Discourses_of_the_Buddha] Re: >Please > >help > > > >Engaged Buddhism > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:13:52 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Brother Michael, > > > > > > > >Mohon maaf message ini tidak kami approved karena milis Dharmajala > > > >bukanlah sarana untuk mempromosikan satu Sangha melainkan untuk > > > >mempromosikan Hidup Berkesadaran dan SEB. > > > > > > > >Anumodana > > > > > > > >Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let them also know about Indonesian Sangha: > > > > > > > > > > Wisma Sangha Theravada Indonesia > > > > > Jl. Margasatva 9 (Depan BBC). > > > > > Pondok Labu, Jakarta 12450 > > > > > Telp/Fax (021) 75914315 > > > > > > > > > > To donate: > > > > > Yayasan Sangha Theravada > > > > > Bank: BCA Cabang Cikarang > > > > > A/C: 343-30-0290-0 > > > > > > > > > > For one who'd like to donate, please somehow make the receiver >know > > > >that the > > > > > donation is for schools, universities, or clinics (not for >Viharas > > > >in > > > > > Indonesia that are already many and quite luxuriant; this part >we > > > >have other > > > > > party's donation). > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > With Viriya, > > > > > Michael S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "matheesha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Subject: [Discourses_of_the_Buddha] Re: Please help Engaged > > > >Buddhism > > > > > >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:35:50 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello Michael, > > > > > > > > > > > >I am very glad to hear that there are people such as yourself >out > > > >to > > > > > >revive budhism in indonesia. Jeff is right in pointing you in >that > > > > > >direction. I also know that Ajhan Brhamavanso also visits > > > > > >internationally in helping to spread buddhism. He was recently >in > > > > > >sri lanka and it sent waves through the buddhist community >there. > > > > > > > > > > > >Sri Lanka was also in a state of ruin in terms of buddhism due >to > > > > > >foreign invasions and occupation and the concomitant spread of > > > > > >missonary christianity. We found them building schools and >churches > > > > > >and converting our people. More recently they come to the land >as > > > > > >aid doner agencies and spread their religion along with aid. >Where > > > > > >there is poverty and poor education chritianity can sink its >roots > > > > > >in. > > > > > > > > > > > >But on thing changed sri lankan buddhism forever in the 1950's >and > > > > > >began its revival. This was the introduction of meditation from > > > > > >Burma. The Burmese ambasador at the time sent us a precious >gift of > > > > > >dhamma in the form of Mahasi Sayadaw who eventually set up a > > > > > >meditation centre in the island. It has been growing from >strength > > > > > >to strength since then. Having something like meditation which > > > >shows > > > > > >benefit here and now has become a very strong point in >attracting > > > >to > > > > > >buddhism and there is much respect towards budhist monks from >all > > > > > >other religions/their people in sri lanka. another crucial >factor > > > > > >maybe the fact that buddhist talks are broadcast on TV and >Radio > > > > > >once a month on full moon days which are religious days there. >This > > > > > >leads to the whole population understanding the applications of > > > > > >buddhism in their lives and seeing its importance and depth. > > > > > > > > > > > >We also have buddhist schools which were set up as a reaction > > > > > >towards christian schools and also buddhist sunday school in > > > >temples > > > > > >where young children are sent to learn buddhism and learn >values. > > > > > >Buddhism is also part of the school curriculum from an early >age > > > >and > > > > > >is there as a subject. > > > > > > > > > > > >Then another popular thing is the celebration of vesak/vishaka >puja > > > > > >which is something everyone can participate in and is great >fun. I > > > > > >have fond memories of vesak celebrations as a child which will > > > >never > > > > > >leave me. We celebrate it with orante vesak lanterns, and is > > > > > >essentially a night time celebration as it is a celebration of > > > > > >light -sginifying the wisdom of the buddha. > > > > > > > > > > > >Reviving buddhism takes money but a whole lot more in my >opinion. > > > > > >You are probably looking at a 50 year project at the very >least, I > > > > > >would suspect. But that 50 years will go faster than you can > > > > > >imagine. > > > > > > > > > > > >So to summarise > > > > > >1) Introduction of meditation possibly by inviting foreign >monks > > > > > >like ajhna brahmavanso and setting up a meditation centre which > > > >will > > > > > >serve the people there > > > > > >2) making buddhism available widely :books, tapes etc in book >shops > > > > > >and temples, sermons over the media etc > > > > > >3) setting up schools, introduction into the school curriculum, > > > > > >sunday school in temples will be helpful > > > > > >4) helping poor people through buddhist organisations - the >temple > > > > > >must become the focal point in an area - the monk must be like >a > > > > > >councellor to relieve the burden of people - they might even > > > >undergo > > > > > >proper training for it like christian priests do sometimes > > > > > >5) creation of a buddhist holiday and celebrating it -media > > > >coverage. > > > > > > > > > > > >Please do contact me if you want to talk about things. I have > > > > > >proposed detailed plans to the ministry of buddhism in Sri >Lanka in > > > > > >reviving buddhism more in Sri Lanka so I have some experience >with > > > > > >this type of thing. I believe what you are setting out to do is > > > >very > > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > > > >good luck to you! > > > > > > > > > > > >matheesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Michael >suswanto" > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >--- Michael suswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Jeff, > > > > > > > > > please help me to gather contacts of Viharas > > > > > > > > > (temples) all around the world > > > > > > > > > with the Abbot's name. Countries like Thailand, > > > > > > > > > Japan, Taiwan, USA, England, > > > > > > > > > Europe, Australia, etc. Little by little as what you > > > > > > > > > know or what you could > > > > > > > > > help, would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's for the project: the wellness of Buddhism - a > > > > > > > > > Socially & Formally > > > > > > > > > Engaged Buddhism on Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > > > > > > Michael Suswanto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Jeffrey Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >To: Michael suswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Please help Engaged Buddhism > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:54:37 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello Michael, I would be more than happy to help you > > > > > > > >reach out to the international community of Buddhism > > > > > > > >for reinvigorating Asian Buddhism. However, there is a > > > > > > > >wonderful international directory of Buddhist > > > > > > > >resources on Buddha Net at this URL > > > > > > > >http://www.buddhanet.net/ Through this directory you > > > > > > > >will be able to find Buddhist Viharas all over the > > > > > > > >world. I do have a directory of viharas in the USA, > > > > > > > >which I would be very happy to send to you, however, I > > > > > > > >will need to know what kind of format you want it in. > > > > > > > >The file is currently in Filemaker Pro format. I can > > > > > > > >export it in various formats. However, if you could > > > > > > > >use it in its original Filemaker Pro format I believe > > > > > > > >you will find it most useful. The most universal > > > > > > > >format is, however, is "tab delimitated." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would be more than happy to use the computer and web > > > > > > > >resources of the GWV to aid you in your endeavor. I > > > > > > > >could easily send out emails to the Buddhist community > > > > > > > >if you think that would help. If you would like we > > > > > > > >could compose a series of messages to be sent out to > > > > > > > >the Buddhist community. I have a listserv of 615 > > > > > > > >Buddhist viharas in the USA. I also subscribe to 279 > > > > > > > >Yahoo groups, so I could very easily broadcast your > > > > > > > >message to a very large International Buddhist > > > > > > > >community. Since your needs are international I could > > > > > > > >also, with some time and effort, capture the contact > > > > > > > >information of every vihara that is listed in the > > > > > > > >Buddha Net directory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I believe the Great Western Vehicle needs some kind of > > > > > > > >engaged outreach program that serves as a vehicle for > > > > > > > >the betterment of all. The plight of the decay of > > > > > > > >Buddhism in Asia seems like a worthy outreach program. > > > > > > > > Thus I and the GWV would be more than happy to serve > > > > > > > >in any way we can to reinvigorate Asian Buddhism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Our work in support of contemplatives who have arrived > > > > > > > >at absorption (jhana) is our primary focus, however, > > > > > > > >that community is a very small one. Because the jhana > > > > > > > >community is so small I believe the Great Western > > > > > > > >Vehicle needs a larger focus, that focus has been > > > > > > > >defined as forging alliances between Buddhism and the > > > > > > > >other religions of the world. Indonesia happens to be > > > > > > > >in a rather interesting position in that Buddhism is a > > > > > > > >minority there, when it was a majority religion at one > > > > > > > >time. Thus Indonesia might be the perfect place from > > > > > > > >which alliances between Christianity and Islam could > > > > > > > >be forged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I believe what you may need to reinvigorate Buddhism > > > > > > > >in Indonesia is one individual who can function as a > > > > > > > >"lightning rod" to draw international attention to the > > > > > > > >plight of Buddhism in Indonesia, and for that matter, > > > > > > > >Sri Lanka as well. That individual would have to have > > > > > > > >impeccable credentials with respect to leading an > > > > > > > >ethical life. One would not want to find a champion > > > > > > > >for your cause who turns out to be a self-serving > > > > > > > >narcissist, or a drug addicted philanderer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I believe what Asian Buddhism is lacking is a > > > > > > > >philanthropic attitude. I believe it is through > > > > > > > >loving kindness (metta) that Asian Buddhism can and > > > > > > > >will be able to reinvigorate itself. And, with the > > > > > > > >recent tsunami relief effort one could fairly easily > > > > > > > >direct that effort to the larger issue of giving Asian > > > > > > > >Buddhism a philanthropic focus. What Asian Buddhism > > > > > > > >does not need is a bunch of pampered monks who do not > > > > > > > >work for the betterment of all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Please let me know if there is anything that I can do > > > > > > > >to help you reinvigorate Asian Buddhism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindest regards, Jhanananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MICHAEL: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding your question about one who's respected by the > > > > > >Indonesian Buddhist > > > > > > > community and leading an ethical life in Indonesia is >Bhikkhu > > > > > >Pannavaro Maha > > > > > > > Thera - he's known internationally. But, another monk named > > > > > >Bhikkhu > > > > > > > Dhammasubho Maha Thera is the one who has the power >(chairmonk?) > > > > > >over the > > > > > > > STI (Sangha Theravada Indonesia), I think. So if you are >willing > > > > > >to help in > > > > > > > action, please send this two bhikkhu a letter, a snail mail >from > > > > > >USA; from > > > > > > > you or some American robed monk (if you can lead one of them >to > > > >do > > > > > >it) > > > > > > > planning or concerning about Engaged Buddhism >Internationally > > > > > >including > > > > > > > Indonesia (about the condition of Viharas with mostly no >monk in > > > > > >Indonesia, > > > > > > > and the Formal / Social penetration of Buddhist Schools, > > > > > >Universities, > > > > > > > Hospitals in Indonesia). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two important monks: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhikkhu Dhammasubho Maha Thera > > > > > > > Jl. Margasatwa 9, Pondok Labu, > > > > > > > Jakarta Selatan > > > > > > > West Java > > > > > > > Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. Sri Pannavaro Mahathera > > > > > > > Vihara Mendut > > > > > > > Kotak pos 111 > > > > > > > Magelang > > > > > > > Central Java > > > > > > > Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please when you send them letters, don't mention one of them >in > > > > > >the letter > > > > > > > for each part. Meaning: in the letter intended to >Dhammasubho, > > > > > >don't mention > > > > > > > the name of Pannavaro. Vice versa. But I think, and (I >think) > > > >most > > > > > >people in > > > > > > > Indonesia think too, Pannavaro is wiser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Regarding your listserv, thank you for willing to spread my > > > >letter > > > > > >to > > > > > > > Buddhists or people with interest of Buddhism all around the > > > >world > > > > > >in the > > > > > > > internet via your listserv. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I was actually going to give a bank account (for > > > > > >receiving > > > > > > > donation :-)) of the Centre of Buddhist Formal Education in > > > > > >Indonesia, > > > > > > > instead of the Indonesian Sangha (Sangha Theravada >Indonesia). > > > >But > > > > > >I found > > > > > > > out that all schools & universities are stand up on their >own. I > > > > > >currently > > > > > > > found 33 schools (including university). Nevertheless, one > > > > > >actually could > > > > > > > donate the STI (Sangha Theravada Indonesia) by stating that >it's > > > > > >not for > > > > > > > Vihara, but it is for public Buddhist schools, public >Buddhist > > > > > >universities, > > > > > > > and public Buddhist clinics (we don't have hospitals yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wisma Sangha Theravada Indonesia > > > > > > > Jl. Margasatva 9 (Depan BBC) Pondok Labu, Jakarta 12450 > > > > > > > Telp/Fax (021) 75914315 > > > > > > > Bank Account: > > > > > > > Yayasan Sangha Theravada > > > > > > > Bank: BCA > > > > > > > A/C: 343-30-0290-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please also add your comments before/after the message >before > > > > > >spreading this > > > > > > > message below to your listserv: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namo Buddhaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Buddhist fellows all around the world, I am Michael >(D.O.B: > > > >28 > > > > > >February > > > > > > > 1985) writing from Indonesia. I was babtised and raised as a > > > > > >Catholic. Now > > > > > > > I'm in the middle of a religion-based-social-pattern of > > > >Indonesia; > > > > > > > monotheism. I used to live in Perth (Western Australia) and > > > > > >regularly > > > > > > > attended Ajahn Brahmavamso's dhammadesana and his monastery, >I > > > > > >went back to > > > > > > > Indonesia last year in February and I am currently back into > > > > > >Catholic > > > > > > > University. It's weird that in Indonesia, outside of >monotheism > > > >we > > > > > >are > > > > > > > condemned as communist, atheist, etc (atheist is viewed bad > > > >here). > > > > > >It's like > > > > > > > an implicit law that atheist, nontheist, and agnostic are >not > > > > > >allowed. It's > > > > > > > due to political issue that had happened before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indonesia was called NUSANTARA (pre history). What's so >called > > > >now > > > > > >Thailand, > > > > > > > Philipine, Malaysia, .. up to South China and maybe more, >WAS > > > >(in > > > > > >that > > > > > > > pre-history time) NUSANTARA. And Nusantara was a strong and > > > > > >developed > > > > > > > Buddhist domain / kingdom. Borobudur Temple in Java island >of > > > > > >Indonesia is > > > > > > > one of 7 World Wonder. We still have many pre-history >temples > > > > > >besides of > > > > > > > Borobudur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That time, Muslim from other country (Arab or Chinese >Muslim) > > > > > >came. And.... > > > > > > > long story. The point is; kingdoms' war, the ruin of the > > > >Kingdom. > > > > > >Thousands > > > > > > > of Buddhists were killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then western colonizer came (Portugese, Dutch) with their > > > > > >missionaries > > > > > > > (Christian). Dutch colonized for over 300 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Indonesia is the biggest Muslim population on Earth. > > > >Secondly, > > > > > >Catholic > > > > > > > and Christian are quite strong in this country. They are >quite > > > > > >viewed > > > > > > > because of strong organization. The point is, they have >schools, > > > > > >they have > > > > > > > hospitals, and universities, especially the Catholics. They >fit > > > > > >(penetrate) > > > > > > > into social. In Indonesia since the year 1970 - 2003, >Buddhist > > > > > >descendant > > > > > > > decreased 50%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is, people (Buddhist, Buddhist descendant) became >non- > > > > > >Buddhist > > > > > > > (and not little they become fanatics and attack back / >trying to > > > > > >convert the > > > > > > > Buddhist tradition of their families) because of school and > > > >their > > > > > > > socialization. Not because they go to churches first then >became > > > > > >Christians, > > > > > > > but it's because of schools and friends (social) -- social > > > > > >paradigm of > > > > > > > thinking -- then they become non-Buddhist (and not little of > > > >them > > > > > >are > > > > > > > forgetting the family's / the ancestor's tradition; >traditional > > > > > >Buddhism). > > > > > > > Buddhist schools/institutions in Indonesia are still very >few > > > >and > > > > > >little > > > > > > > recognized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The issue is, most people spent their `Dana' (donation) for > > > >Vihara > > > > > >(temple). > > > > > > > Viharas (temples) in Indonesia are quite plenty, big and > > > >luxuriant > > > > > >with > > > > > > > little people coming (and little monks, for sure). When >there's > > > > > >Buddhist > > > > > > > events, true it's plenty people coming to the event, it's > > > >because > > > > > >people > > > > > > > from other domain/cities are also coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder why many people don't have the long term vision of > > > >`Dana' > > > > > >(money, > > > > > > > energy, effort) for Buddhist Formal Foundation such schools, > > > > > >universities, > > > > > > > hospitals (as a router for the Dhamma to the world/public). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I know a little about history, 'University' was first >existed > > > > > >in India. > > > > > > > And it was Buddhist University. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a story in Tipitaka about The Buddha visiting some > > > >village > > > > > >with > > > > > > > diseases / the sick, dirty place ... Then The Disciples >cleaned > > > > > >up and took > > > > > > > care of the diseases, then so The Buddha gave the >Dhammadesana > > > > > >(Dharma > > > > > > > Talk). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through good will, I'm thinking of Socially Engaged Buddhism >for > > > > > >the sake of > > > > > > > Buddhist evocation socially. Dharma and Viharas will > > > >automatically > > > > > >flow > > > > > > > through it. Now, Viharas (temples) are still shining, even- > > > >though > > > > > >in > > > > > > > Indonesia we have little people and we have most times >Viharas > > > > > >(temples) > > > > > > > with no monk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Suswanto > > > > > > > [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Credit card. Apply now. 60 sec response. Must be over 18. 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