You are picky AND correct!

Andy.



On Dec 6, 2007 10:33 PM, Rud Merriam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I think I am correct, and admittedly picky, to say that what is described is
>  a form of source encoding with QPSK modulation.
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>  QPSK only applies to the modulation of two independent bit streams in a
>  signal. A clear way of looking at this is that based on I/Q modulation the
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>  carries one bit stream while the Q carries the other.
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>  The encoding below determine how the two bit streams are created.
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>  The URL did not work for me.
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>  Rud Merriam K5RUD
>  ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX
>  http://TheHamNetwork.net
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>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien
>  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:19 PM
>  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Technical Question: FDMDV / QPSK in PSK31
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>  On Dec 6, 2007 9:39 PM, Vojtech Bubnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  > It is QPSK, not BPSK.
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>  > 73, Vojtech
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>  And while on the subject of QPSK, here is an old article about PSK31
>  QPSK that I wrote around 2000 for the Logger32 help files, it
>  includes quotes from Peter Martinez that he granted permission for me to
> use
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>  Andy K3UK
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>  QPSK (Quaternary Phase Shift Keying) Operation
>  Andrew J. O'Brien, KB2EOQ
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>  QPSK is referred to as an error-correcting PSK mode. Strictly speaking, it
>  is not error-correcting in the traditional sense, but we'll leave that for
>  another discussion. You will find it very useful in copying very weak
>  signals. You will also discover that it is used less than BPSK. The usual
>  convention among QPSK'ers is to use BPSK to establish a QSO and then switch
>  to QPSK You will rarely find someone calling CQ in QPSK mode. Some radio
>  amateurs will switch to QPSK if a BPSK QSO with weak signals is producing
>  poor copy. PSK veterans will point out, however, that while QPSK
> outperforms
>  BPSK when weak signals are the issue, QPSK will perform no better than BPSK
>  if noise is the signal limiting condition. In the ancient, early days of
>  PSK31, in the last century, QPSK was used as the mode of choice for some
> PSK
>  nets, but that does appear to be the case in the 21st century. . Tuning a
>  QPSK Signal snip....
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>  QPSK can perform better than BPSK when band conditions are poor due to
> polar
>  flutter. At such times you may be able to get copy from a QPSK signal even
>  though the "cross" in the tuning window is poorly formed.
>  Note: QPSK requires that BOTH stations in the QSO be using the same
>  sideband! While this is not important for BPSK QSOs, it vital when using
>  QPSK.
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>  QPSK-Reversed
>  BPSK is demodulated the same way whether you are on upper or lower
> sideband.
>  This is not true for QPSK, which operates like RTTY. You must shift the
>  signal in a way that the decoder expects or it will not decode. In the case
>  of QPSK, this leads to problems with standards, since the mode is so new.
> In
>  actual practice, most hams appear to be operating BPSK using AFSK and upper
>  sideband. This means that, when they switch QPSK (without reversing), they
>  must be decoded by the other station using upper sideband and QPSK (without
>  reversing). However, the standard of RTTY operation is lower sideband, and
>  this means that most hams, operating as just mentioned, are operating
>  QPSK-reverse, based on the RTTY standard. What this really means is that,
>  when you and another station decide to switch to QPSK, if you do not know
>  whether that station is using upper or lower sideband, there is a chance
>  that you will not decode that station. If you click again on the mode pane,
>  it will switch from QPSK to QPSK-reverse, and you should begin to copy. One
>  trick is to set all three Rx windows on the signal to be copied, set one
> aux
>  window at QPSK and the other at QPSK-reverse. When you see which Aux window
>  starts to print readable copy, switch your main Rx window to that mode and
>  you can then
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>  So What Is QPSK? How QPSK Got Its Name
>  Peter, G3PLX, says in an article entitled "PSK-31, A new radio-teletype
> mode
>  with a traditional philosophy," says that he called it "quadrature polarity
>  reversal keying" (which of course would have come out as QPRK), but that
>  everyone else calls it quaternary phase-shift keying (QPSK). It is an
>  error-correcting mode that relies on four phase-shifts rather than two, to
>  create the basic scheme.
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>  Peter Martinez' (G3PLX) Description of QPSK
>  The QPSK mode used in PSK31 takes the binary data-stream, at the point
> where
>  it would otherwise go direct to the BPSK modulator, and feeds that through
> a
>  5-bit shift-register. A logic operation then forms the parity function of
>  the 1st, 2nd, and 5th stages, and another forms the parity function of the
>  1st, 3rd, and 5th, giving two bit-streams at the same 31.25 bps rate as the
>  original data. These two bits form a binary number, the four values of
> which
>  are mapped to the four possible phase-shifts in the QPSK modulation. Thus a
>  single data-bit from the source results in a 5-bit-long predictable
> sequence
>  of 90-degree and 180 phase-shifts, interleaved with those of following and
>  preceding bits. In the receiver, a Viterbi decoder is used to keep track of
>  all 32 possible combinations of guesses at the transmitted datastream, a
>  running total of how well the received pattern of phase-shifts matches each
>  guess. The clever thing about the Viterbi decoder is that it can be sure
>  that if it throws out the worst 16 guesses before it receives the next
>  signal (which doubles the number of to 32 again), it can never get it
> wrong,
>  and after about 20 more signals, it can be pretty certain that its guess 20
>  signals ago was right. The snag is that it can only output its best guess
>  after a delay of 20 signals, or 640mS in the case of PSK31. Longer Viterbi
>  decoders are possible, but the amount of computation doubles at each extra
>  signal delay, and for PSK31, which is used for live QSOs, the delay would
> be
>  too long. More Facts to Consider About QPSK The relationship between BPSK
>  and QPSK is that both have the same bandwidth, but that QPSK uses that
>  bandwidth for two signals, shifted-from each other by 90 degrees. The extra
>  signal is used to transmit redundant information for error-correction.
>  reduces the signal-to-noise ratio for QPSK by 3 dB, in comparison to BPSK.
>  The expectation is that the error-correction will more than make up for
> this
>  difference. The results are not in, and one goal of current PSK31 activity
>  is to evaluate and compare BPSK QPSK, to determine the situations in which
>  each method is superior. According to Peter, BPSK should be superior under
>  conditions of ordinary noise (white noise or random noise) but that under
>  conditions of fading or real-life interference (as contrasted with random
>  white noise), QPSK may be superior. More evaluation is needed. For a good
>  introduction see NB6Z's excellent discussion of QPSK at
>  http://www.teleport.com/~nb6z/psk31.htm.
>  *Peter Martinez has granted Logger32 permission to use his above
> description
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Andy K3UK
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