But of course you can't prove it because it will not be published.

To quote from SIGCSE CC2001: 
http://www.sigcse.org/cc2001/cs-introductory-courses.html

"In fact, the problems of the programming-first approach can be exacerbated in 
the objects-first model because many of the languages used for object-oriented 
programming in industry -- particularly C++, but to a certain extent Java as 
well -- are significantly more complex than classical languages. Unless 
instructors take special care to introduce the material in a way that limits 
this complexity, such details can easily overwhelm introductory students."

In other words don't start with programming. And if you do, don't start with 
C++/Java. And if you do, you've been warned.


-----Original Message-----
From: Lindsay Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 15 January 2008 14:03
To: Michael Kölling; Walter Milner
Cc: discuss@ppig.org
Subject: RE: PPIG discuss: Programmer education ain't what it used to be

>Do significant numbers of universities really plan like that?

yes

L.

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