A possible compromise???: move all (I mean ALL) non native formats to the Export menu and let save/save as for the native formats only. Also, disable the possibility to change the default format for saving documents: in my experience on forums, many problems are fixed when you explain users that it is not good idea to use ms formats to _store_ files, that they need to use ODF to store and export only when needed.
2010/12/31 Kevin André <hyperquan...@gmail.com>: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:51, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 31 December 2010 10:37, Kevin André <hyperquan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker <gbpli...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that >>> which >>> > was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the same >>> format >>> > in which the original message was received) >>> >>> I agree. And users will wonder why they can open a document they >>> received, make some simple changes, but are asked for different name >>> when saving the file. They will say "why can't this program simply >>> save my changes?". >> >> >> You can get away with being arrogant when you have 80% of the market. > > Right. But LibreOffice doesn't have that kind of market share... > >> Most >> of the people using a WP have no idea about file formats, they will assume >> if it comes in as xxxx it needs to go out as xxxx. (Actually a lot will >> never even have used save as..) If there is no facility to do this there is >> a reasonable chance they will reject the use of the software out of hand. > > Indeed. I argued that forcing users to save an OOXML document in > another format is something that users will not understand at first, > and they probably won't like it either. > As for the save as, with the read-only OOXML policy they will see a > dialog appear that they only expect to see when saving a brand new > document (that has no filename yet) or when explicitly doing "save > as". > >> This isn't about logic to a sophisticated computer user, it is about the >> average user who has no technical knowledge and has picked up a WP by trial >> and error. > > And that is why I think it's a bad idea to have the application do > something they do not expect. > >> MS by luck or judgement have been very good at exploiting >> ignorance. School systems don't teach word processing, they teach MS Word. >> It's why we need better education and a certification programme for users >> that covers stuff like file formats and the principles of WP not just one >> product. > > Better education for users would be the optimal solution, but it's not > something you can force to happen. And it will not 'fix' all those > people that already got their 'education' in the past. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
