> > Which brings us to a question that I'm meaning to ask for a while. > > It looks like we're close to removing all mentions of setuptools in pip. > When this happens, it looks like pressure is going to start to mount on > setuptools to drop the ability to install packages and limit itself on > being just a build tool. > > Yes, please!
I argued a while back for a setuptools-lite -- it would do all the things setuptools does that we think it _should_ do, and not do any of the others -- like it wouldn't easy-install anything EVER. most likely it would be a fork of the setuptools code with a bunch of stuff disabled. Or maybe even a setting in setuptools itself: import setuptools setuptools.disable_legacy from setuptools import setup, find_packages, ... Why???? Folks rely on the various "features" of setuptools, some important ones like buildout. So it's going to be a long time before we can deprecate all that in setuptools itself. But we're trying for a future with better separation of concerns -- building, installing, packaging, run-time management. But as it stands now, people kind of HAVE to use setuptools to get desired build behaviour, but then their users an accidentally invoke features they don't want -- to teh point where pip goes in and monkey patches the darn thing. IF there were a setuptools_lite, user could simply do: import setuptools_lite as setuptools and they'd instantly get an error if they were using depreciated features, and their end users would never accidently easy install stuff :-) Anyway, this seem like a path forward, without having to wait for the future fabulous pluggable build system ..... -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception chris.bar...@noaa.gov
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