On Mon, Jul 10, 2017, 04:54 Steve Dower <steve.do...@python.org> wrote:

> One nice thing about providing a “put your work in this directory” setting
> for all tasks is that only the front end has to know how and where to
> create it, and how and when to clean it up later. Users may want to
> configure this across all projects, regardless of the backend in use.
>
>
>
> Permitting this directory to be the source tree implicitly requires
> backends to support “in place” builds (i.e. you should put output files in
> a matching structure under that directory in case it really is the source
> tree). In this case, front ends need to be responsible for (not) running
> rmtree and backends should not blindly delete everything (or else they’ll
> get bug reports from very upset users).
>
Not sure about this particular idea. It might have to be a special case and
implementation in the backend driver, usually build in a directory and copy
file into the source tree.


> Cheers,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> Top-posted from my Windows phone at EuroPython
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>
>
> *From: *Thomas Kluyver <tho...@kluyver.me.uk>
> *Sent: *Monday, July 10, 2017 9:14
> *To: *distutils-sig@python.org
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [Distutils] A possible refactor/streamlining of PEP 517
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>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017, at 07:01 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
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> > So I think we have pretty solid evidence that the reason the
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> > procedural "build directory preparation" hook wasn't sitting well with
>
> > people was because that isn't the way build systems typically model
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> > the concept, while a "build directory" setting is very common (even if
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> > that "setting" is "the current working directory when configuring or
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> > running the build").
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>
> Hooray! :-)
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>
>
> Do we want to also provide a build_directory for the build_sdist hook?
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> In principle, I don't think making an sdist should involve a build step,
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> but I know that some projects do perform steps like cython code gen or
>
> JS minification before making the sdist. I think this was a workaround
>
> to ease installation before wheel support was widespread, and I'd be
>
> inclined to discourage it now, so my preference would be no
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> build_directory parameter for build_sdist. Backends which insist on
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> generating intermediates at that point can make a temp dir themselves.
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>
>
> Then I guess that the choice between building a wheel directly and
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> attempting to build an sdist first (with direct fallback) is one for
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> frontends, and doesn't need to be specified.
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>
>
> Thomas
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