The etiquette guidelines have issues, but I’m not sure that’s one. If there was moderation and enforcement in place, than we wouldn’t need to call out publicly. Moderator could step in to do that. Prefer that way of handling it.
Mikel On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:33 AM, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish. Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a horrible outcome! ¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote: > I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us > coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the > change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us > from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's > not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like > those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse > communities around the world. > > Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed > out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it > seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a > bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds > of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation > and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of > etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the > existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took > about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find > volunteers for a committee. > > I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting > this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward! > > Maggie Cawley > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario <afsvica...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello/*Kumusta*, > > > > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking this > > seriously. > > > > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, > > but a collective can build a fire 🔥 (charcoal comparison). > > > > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About Geospatial > > Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video). > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf> > > > > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia > > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter: > >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who > >> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping > >> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping and > >> storytelling matters most. > > > > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam > > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members > > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support > > and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really > > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > > > > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk > > mailing list: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html. > > > > Let us keep the fire burning! > > > > =Arnalie > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > > wrote: > >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, > >> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing > >> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best > >> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the > >> LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local > >> Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC > >> already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to > >> have a CoC. > >> > >> Clifford > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Always > >>> Heather Leson > >>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to > >>>> start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of > >>>> the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball > >>>> rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Great. working in the draft now. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this restart. > >>>>> We can keep building. > >>>>> > >>>>> Heather > >>>>> > >>>>> Heather Leson > >>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gertrude Namitala > >>>>> <trudyho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Thanks Heather for starting this. I will try to be available. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>> Trudy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 23:05 Mikel Maron, <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> This is great > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson > >>>>>>> <heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Great! Editing now > >>>>>>> Hope we can have an initial chat > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> heather > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Heather Leson > >>>>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>>>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:33 PM Rebecca Firth > >>>>>>> <rebecca.fi...@hotosm.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> > Hi Heather, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Thanks for setting that up - I'll need to jig some things around > >>>>>>> > but really hope to be able to join that meeting. Some people had > >>>>>>> > already started working on a statement to share. I am sharing here > >>>>>>> > for allies to add comments they would like to raise, and to > >>>>>>> > identify people who are keen to move this work forward: > >>>>>>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Thanks, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Rebecca > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:21 PM Heather Leson > >>>>>>> > <heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> >> Hey > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> A few of us are going to meet this saturday about code of conduct > >>>>>>> >> in osm. There is a codw of conduct but we think there needs to be > >>>>>>> >> more. We can also touch on the diversity work that mikel shared > >>>>>>> >> previously. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> 1500 utc before the osmf board meeting at 1600 utc. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Hope you can join. This will be a small group discussion. We can > >>>>>>> >> always widen the circle later. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Link to be shared later. Note this will be a safe and positive > >>>>>>> >> space discussion. We will adhere strongly to the diversity list > >>>>>>> >> code. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Thanks so much > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Heather > >>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> >> Diversity-talk mailing list > >>>>>>> >> Code of Conduct: > >>>>>>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>>>>> >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > -- > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Diversity-talk mailing list > >>>>>>> Code of Conduct: > >>>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>>>>> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Diversity-talk mailing list > >>>>> Code of Conduct: > >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>>> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> @osm_washington > >>>> www.snowandsnow.us > >>>> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > >> > >> > >> -- > >> @osm_washington > >> www.snowandsnow.us > >> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Diversity-talk mailing list > >> Code of Conduct: > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Diversity-talk mailing list > > Code of Conduct: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > _______________________________________________ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > _______________________________________________ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
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