On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Premysl Hruby wrote: > On (07/03/09 11:50), Joerg van den Hoff wrote: > > To: dwm mail list <dwm@suckless.org> > > Cc: Premysl Hruby <dfe...@gmail.com> > > From: Joerg van den Hoff <j.van_den_h...@fzd.de> > > Subject: Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org > > to you have been bouncing] > > ... > > > > Wow, his MTA (or maybe MUA) is sending out a delivery status > > > notification, saying that the message was delivered. I didn't think any > > > MTAs actually did that, it can create many problems (like the current > > > one). > > > > > > Joerg, you should check your mail client to see if it's sending out > > > delivery status notifications (DSNs). What's happening is that your > > > mail client, or your mail server, is responding back to the message > > > > I presume, it's our IMAP server in central IT. I'll forward your message. > > > > I'm using `mutt' (which at least > > claims to suck less than other mail clients) and AFAICS should have > > nothing to do with the delivery notification, right? > > I'm using mutt too, and have no problem. Do you use any other > program/device to access that IMAP account?
quite generally, no. very rarely, I've to use a web-browser interface to the mail server. but I'm quite sure this has no relation to the current problems (which have appeared only rather recently -- maybe related to some update on the server side, I'll try to check with IT). > > > > > > saying "I got it!" mlmmj (the list software used at suckless.org, which > > > I happen to have contributed to) treats any response to the envelope > > > sender address as a bounced message. > > > > naive question: would it harm if mlmmj would treat the DSN has > > harmless/irrelevant instead of 'bounced'? > > No, that's not possible. If you look on that "bounce" message carefully > you will see that your MX is sending it as MAILERDAEMON (<> address to > be precise) so that's fully featured bounce message. > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing there's some sender on the list who requests delivery > > > status notifications on their outbound messages, and this is why you > > > only see the bounces occasionally. > > Well, I searched dwm archive and there's no email with header > from disposition-notification-* family -- one responsible for requesting > that "I read your email" thingie. meaning it's mysterious, _why_ our server spills out his DSNs? anyway, since I know (next to) nothing of mail protocol internals I'll have to wait what central IT is going to say and let you know their answer. regards, joerg > > > > > I start to get the picture. > > > > > > > > I'll refrain from expounding on my opinion of DSNs. Check the Internet > > > if you're curious. > > > > I always am. > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > joerg > > regards > > -- > Premysl "Anydot" Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/