> Climate change is not a myth!
That is not an appropriate topic for this e-mail list. However,
since you opened the door, climate change is an unproven theory
backed by junk science and "made up data." Only serious and
independent research will prove the theory. Until such time as
the theory has been completely vetted and proven, there is no
basis for using it to set public policy or drive legislation
either parochially or globally.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 6/16/2010 10:39 AM, David Yarnes wrote:
I think it was pretty obvious that GM4FDM's comment was "tongue in
cheek". You seem to take everything literally, as evidenced by your
subsequent commentary.
About the only cogent comments you made were that you don't have a
good energy policy there (we sure don't either on this side of the
pond!), and that your infrastructure is lacking in storage capacity.
Climate change is not a myth! Nor is the value of wind, solar, and
other non-fossil fuel energy devices. What it is, is underdeveloped!
That's partly due to the lack of a good energy policy, which we all
seem to be without. If we don't start pushing hard on technological
advancement, which will surely lead to cost reduction over time, we
will be saddled with high alternative energy costs. That's obvious
too, as it is with anything that doesn't get sufficient attention and
investment in order to develop cheaper and better versions. Just
about anything you own cost a lot more initially when it was in its
infant state of development. Cell phones, computers, radios,
TV's,--everything! You can front end a bunch of development money
with some significant benefit, but the real benefit will come when
demand, either natural or mandated, stimulates the developers to
compete more effectively as to cost, etc. The more they sell, the
more they can invest in technology, and the cheaper it will get (at
least in "constant" currency terms). Even at this rather early stage
of solar panel development, we are starting to see this effect. The
same goes for battery technology.
It's not just the politicians and non-scientists that are pushing
this "eco" stuff either. Most of the scientific community is as
well, at least those with the true expertise in these matters.
Indeed there are naysayers, and some of them have "credentials", but
they are a definite minority. Unfortunately, many of these so called
"experts" are being paid by energy companies to refute the claims of
climate change, and most of them will do anything for money.
As bad as you think your energy policy is, it's nowhere near as bad
as ours! Ours is loaded with the effects of graft and greed. Our
politicians have been effectively bribed, and there is no effective
oversight. That has to change! Maybe more damaging is the
incredible amount of bad information that is being circulated.
People just won't take time to really get the facts!
By the way, I don't subscribe at all to the ignorance that tends to
have the current criticism of BP extend to the U.K. in general.
That's nonsense! BP is an international company, and there is just
about as much investment by U.S. investors as there is U.K.
investment. Even the chinese have a big stake now. At one time BP
might have been more british, but the world has changed dramatically
since then. Also, some years ago, BP merged with Atlantic Richfield,
a very large U.S. company, and immediately became a hybrid
genetically. And BP is no better or worse than a bunch of other big
companies, many of which are perhaps more "U.S." in nature. They all
are cutting corners, and that needs to stop!
The oceans between us don't mean much anymore. We need to better
understand that, and try and get into the same boat philosophically.
What's good for you is almost certainly good for us, and vice versa.
I realize that you, as someone who apparently is more directly
involved in the energy industry, may feel you are being hurt more
specifically by all of this, but that totally ignores the big
picture, and the population as a whole. Besides, a good energy
policy should deal with this, and do so effectively, to mitigate any
such effect. Also, even if we really get serious about doing
something, things aren't going to change overnight, or anything close
to it! What seems clear to me is that, instead of pouring money into
"oil wars", we need to commit that money and effort into regaining
our independence! It has to be obvious by now what fools we are to
allow mid-east oil to control our lives and destiny!
Dave W7AQK
----- Original Message ----- From: DAVE WHITE To: bhw...@hughes.net ;
DX-CHAT ; thomaswy...@sky.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:53
AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
I think to be fair that the Telegraph is a British newspaper so
reports from a British point of view.
However.....
After the absence of any sensible energy policy for about the last 25
years, Britain will have plenty of blackouts coming, and not related
to solar flares - merely due to lack of generation capacity. As
recent governments have played the "eco" card and pursued the myth of
wind, wave and solar energy and climate change they have neglected
the core generating capacity that needs to sit behind them.
Britain's generating capacity relies over-heavily on gas, the stocks
of which are dwindling in the North Sea and which will soon have to
be imported in large qualtities. This problem is exacerbated by lack
of investment in infrastructure: we can store only a few days' worth
of gas whereas many other EU countries can store weeks' worth.
The "green" agenda pushed by politicians and other non-scientists has
caused us to lose sight of energy security. Britain has huge coal
stocks though lack of investment in (a) mining and (b) power stations
to burn the stuff mean that we're in no position to use it. Many of
our power stations are coming to the end of their lives, and nothing
new is being built to replace them. Wind turbines cost more to build
and maintain then they ever generate - they exists merely because of
political pressure and due to the various subsidies (much of which
are paid for by YOU via your gas/electricity bill, BTW) that HMG pays
landowners to install them. Solar panels have a distinct limitation
when you want power at 10pm on a Sunday night in January.
I'd buy a diesel generator if I were you. They also come in useful
for field day contests...
Dave G0OIL (an Energy Sector professional)
--- On Wed, 16/6/10, tom wylie<thomaswy...@sky.com> wrote:
From: tom wylie<thomaswy...@sky.com> Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT]
Warning-Get Ready To: bhw...@hughes.net,
"DX-CHAT"<dx-chat@njdxa.org> Date: Wednesday, 16 June, 2010, 8:17
What - only Britain????? Thats not fair......
Tom GM4FDM
Bill Hawkins wrote:
Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause
devastation
Britain could face widespread power blackouts and be left without
critical communication signals for long periods of time, after the
earth is hit by a once-in-a-generation “space storm”, Nasa has
warned.
*Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with
unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the
Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013. * ** Read the
whole story
here<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html>.
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