Well here's one for you:

My setup is K3 to wattmeter to dummy load.

The K3 says 100w
If the external wattmeter is:
MFJ 949E tuner/SWR meter (tuner out of circuit) it says 100w
cheapo Radio Shack SWR meter 100w
LP 100A digital wattmeter says 70 watts
Elecraft W2 says 70 watts

Yes, I have run the transmitter calibration routine in the K3 Utility 
program.  SWR in all three cases is nominal 1:1

The result is the same to a real antenna although the SWR is not 1:1

What could be causing the external-sensor type wattmeters to read low?

Buck
k4ia
K3 # 101

On 1/2/2012 10:14 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Quite right.
>
> There a couple of impedance transformations that occur between the
> collectors (or plates) of the power amplifiers and the antenna. The first is
> done by the output filters. In modern rigs, they are fixed tuned and
> designed in common Ham rigs to convert the impedance at the collectors to 50
> ohms, resistive.
>
> If your antenna presents that impedance, no further conversion is necessary.
> But many antennas don't.
>
> In the "old" days the output network was adjustable and we simply did the
> necessary adjustments and all was good.
>
> Nowadays, with fixed tuned amplifier output networks, we need another
> matching network to handle the conversion when the antenna doesn't present a
> 50 ohms resistive load.
>
> Enter the "antenna tuner" that converts what the antenna shows to the 50
> ohms needed by the output filter. The built in SWR meter displays the SWR on
> the link between the tuner and the output filter.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Azlin N4ZPT
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:19 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Internal Tuner Question
>
> Thanks Matthew. I should not have spoken like that. Should just
> have said the meter in the line would not change just because a radio
> tuner transformed impedance to make the radio happy. 73, tom n4zpt
>
> On 1/2/2012 9:11 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> All an antenna tuner does is show the radio the load it expects; the
>> SWR will still be high at the output of the tuner, and an SWR meter
>> in the coax at that output will show it as it actually is at that
>> point, not as it is on the input of the tuner/output of the radio.
>>
>> Matthew Pitts N8OHU
>
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