>actually, you wrote in your 13 May 2000 mail >(http://www.egroups.com/message/election-methods-list/5388): > > Steve didn't say that Beatpath Winner chose a Pareto inferior > > candidate or violated Pareto. He merely said that it chose > > a candidate whom no voter preferred to the Tideman winner, and > > which was pairwise-beaten by the Tideman winner. > > > > That doesn't require a Pareto violation. For instance, say > > that a few voters rank the Tideman winner over Beatpath Winner's > > winner, and that the rest of the voters are indifferent between > > those two. The situation that Steve described exists, without > > a violation of Pareto. > > >In short: You wrote that Steve wrote that the Schulze method >"chose a candidate whom no voter preferred to the Tideman winner, >and which was pairwise-beaten by the Tideman winner." And you >wrote that "the situation that Steve described exists." You still don't get it, Markus; you're still missing it. In my previous letter, about an hour ago, I carefully explained to you that I _did not_ make that statement. The sentence that says that follows a conditional qualifier: "For instance, say that a few voters rank the Tideman winner over BeatpathWinner's winner, and that the rest of the voters are indifferent between those two. The situation that Steve described exists, without a violation of Pareto." You insist on using that last sentence by itself, as if it were, by itself, a statement or a declaration. Wrong. It follows a conditional qualifier. So I was saying that _if_ that condition were so, then the situation that Steve described exists. That isn't a matter of interpretation. It's obvious. I didn't say that the qualifying condition can be true--in fact I said several times that day that I didn't know if it could. I certainly didn't say that my Tideman bad-example is possible. I just finished explaining that to you an hour ago, but it apparently didn't sink in. Are you out to lunch? Mike Ossipoff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com