@Rod

Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.

On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:
@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built http://buildbot2.highlab.com/
One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
  If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to change
the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described in
the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for it.
Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a pi
4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I think
Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per some
links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old buildbot
uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

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On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:

On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:
Hello,

Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius" <mar...@mastercut.co.za>

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.
I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on
the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on
the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I
checked.
Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a
Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
recreate the error, please share them.
If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please
step forward :)
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the
more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure
someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.
Many thanks!
Steffen

I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
this list.

I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot for armhf,
disabling my access to the buildbot's output for buster master.

So I'm back to running some scripts here that duplicate the buildbot,
including building install-able debs. But something has gone wrong and
the installed debs, which run just fine, now break apt, and the only
solution is to fix-broken, which will remove the debs my pi just spent
40 minutes building and 3 minutes installing.

I can after that, probably install bookworm and then install linuxcnc,
v2.9.0 from the bookworm repo's.

But that is not the point Steffan, because I'm not a for profit user,
I've been playing canary in the coal mine, running master for almost 20
years, reporting unseen bugs as I've encountered them, my contribution
to the stability of linuxcnc.  These guy's are good, I've only reported
a failure twice in that time frame. OTOH my test is just to see if it
runs from a shell so I don't catch everything.

So at present, I can't build the docs because my machine does not have
the resources installed to build all the languages that have been added
in the last 2 years.  I could probably install them if I had a list of
what's needed. But its also time to install bookworm. A different kettle
of fish entirely.

Lets assume I install bookworm, first on my wintel stuff. But is the
plan to lock up the buildbot now that linuxcnc is officially in debian?
IDK. If that is the case, my canary just died.

And because the buster in-release file has been deleted, synaptic nor
apt will touch the buildbots output for armhf.

I can still do a git pull and build linuxcnc, install and run it, but
that breaks apt, and now tha docs are locked away. So what do I do to
restore my access to the docs?

I should also point out that my 3 wintel busters running on old Dell's
are still getting all 4 master updates from the buildbot as of this
morning, only the armhf build seems to be affected.

Thank you, take care & stay well, Steffan.


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