Hi Brian, >From a cost perspective, it seems perhaps you are seeing the tip of an >iceberg. Non-technical commentary floating in the ether, often points to >predictions of significant cost increases and imminent chaos presented by >early adopters and unavoidable divergent interpretations of the requirements >by various certifiers as they and their offices ramp in knowledge of applying >the new standard to products. ..all with the question of whether there is >safety related value add beyond what the existing standards present.
"4. 62368-1 says components having 60950-1 reports/certs are acceptable" basically applies to subassemblies ( and those approved under 60065) as well but will be nuked in the 3rd ed. Needless to say not all safety professionals agree with the merits of the new standard that is currently out for vote within TC108...while the US has voted affirmative, I believe other NC's may have begun to cast negative votes. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Inc. -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:07 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC' Subject: RE: Ecma TR-106 available More good stuff from Mr. Nute. And more questions from the peanut gallery. 1. Other than the SPD and flame test issues, what where the problems that the TC had with the 1st edition? 2. Is TC108 still scheduled to vote in March? 3. Do organizations such as UL and CSA have the influence to get the next building code updated (NEC and CEC) to specify 62368-1? 4. 62368-1 says components having 60950-1 reports/certs are acceptable, and the UL seminar said that no diff for component requirements. So why are agencies charging 25% more for a component report that contains only one additional drawing and two additional test pages compare to the ITE report? Are we paying to train agency engineers? Brian -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Richard Nute Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:34 AM To: rpick...@rpqconsulting.com Cc: 'Thomas M Burke'; 'EMC-PSTC'; Onno Elzinga Subject: Re: Ecma TR-106 available Hi Ron: IEC 62368-1 Edition 1 is an "approved" IEC standard. It was not voted down, but its adoption as a national or regional standard has been discouraged due to a number of problems in the standard. (This is what prompted the urgent work on a second edition.) (UL and maybe others have been accepting submittals to the first edition.) TC108 management expects the second edition to be accepted, and will supersede the first edition. (The U.S.A. has voted for adoption of the second edition.) TC108 expects that the second edition will be adopted by national and regional regulatory bodies. Transition time from IEC 60950-1 and IEC 60065 is expected to be in the range of 5-8 years. Ecma TC12 has lost most of its membership. At the moment, it does not have sufficient staffing to produce a comparison document with the second edition or with IEC 60065. We are seeking members; let me know if you would like to join Ecma TC12 and contribute to the two comparison documents. We usually meet just before the TC108 meetings so as to minimize travel costs. TC12 active members are from IBM (2), HP (1), and Intel (1). And me. Best regards, Rich 541-633-7252 On 2/26/2013 6:37 AM, Ron Pickard RPQ wrote: > Hi Rich, > Thank you and Tom getting this out to us. After reviewing this > document, I noticed that it references IEC 62368 Edition 1. As this > Edition 1 was voted > down I believe by most NCBs causing Edition 2 to be created, will ECMA > be updating this document to reflect a comparison to IEC 62368 Edition > 2, which > is supposed to be published early next year? > > I look forward to your reply. > > Best regards, > > Ron Pickard > > -----Original Message----- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of > Richard Nute > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:45 PM > To: EMC-PSTC > Cc: Thomas M Burke > Subject: Ecma TR-106 available > > Posted on behalf of Tom Burke, UL: > > More good news for those seeking to learn more about IEC 62368-1 as > the ICT > Industry prepares for the eventual transition from IEC 60950-1 (and > IEC > 60065) to IEC 62368-1. ECMA International, previously known as the European > Computer Manufacturers Association, has just published its Technical Report > TR/106, which provides guidance and comparison between > 60950-1 and 62368-1. The report was published by ECMA's TC12 on > Product Safety, and the effort to develop and publish the TR was very > capably led by > Mr. Richard Nute. Thank you Rich and members of ECMA TC12! ECMA has a strong > interest in IEC 62368-1 since its industry standard, > ECMA-287 "Safety of electronic equipment," which was developed and published > in the 1990s and which first introduced hazard-based concepts, was the core > material that IEC TC108 used when it began it project developing IEC 62368-1 > in 2002. It is believed that the availability of comparison documents > like > TR/106 from a variety of sources helps industry prepare for the > pending transition and also helps clear up some of the misconceptions > about the new > standard. As has been discussed in this group previously, IEC 62368-1 > has many familiar elements from 60950-1, including allowance for > prescriptive constructions that have proven safe in 60950-1 and that > may be used as an alternative to some of the performance based requirements > in 62368-1. > Provided below are links to information on ECMA TC12 and the TR/106 > (available free of charge). > > http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/TC12.htm > > http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/techreports/E-TR-106.htm"; > > > Best regards, > Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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