I believe that charging a device within the MDD when connected to a patient is not normal use but to be classified (foreseeable) misuse.

Some remarks:

1. An apparatus that requires charging is most often meant to be used while not connected to the mains; why use a battery otherwise. Most equipment i have encountered using 25 years of product testing included a clear disabling mechanism while charging.

2. Often equipment that is not designed to meet the double MOPP/MOOP requirements (mostly for cost reasons) uses a battery to meet insulation/touch current requirements "the easy way". Connecting the device to a charger will immediately make the device unsafe.

3. I have not yet seen a medically approved USB charger, and most approved IT chargers do not meet the (constructional) reinforced insulation requirements between primary and secondary to be  used in ME equipment or leakage/touch  currents.

Gert Gremmen


On 14-4-2018 0:59, Leo Eisner wrote:
Nick,

This is an in process interpretation that is being currently developed by IEC TC62 SC 62A WG14 and was supposed to be discussed today in our London meeting but the submitter of the request for interpretation was not able to make the meeting today.  Part of the draft interpretation does mention there are fake chargers out there and they definitely will not meet Dielectric, spacings, and leakage current limits.  Also, they can reboot computers connected to the network, The submitter of the request says: "It has been noted in health care facilities recently that certain ME Equipment have rebooted, close down prematurely, changed alarm setting, change patient setting due to interconnection of other electrical equipment intended to be charged or powered.”

USB is not the wisest choice for power as you also have data issues potentially depending on the Medical device and it’s connection.  The best solution I have seen is 1) turn off or disable patient circuitry when connected to USB.
2) disable the software the controls the device.
3) provide additional Reinforced or Double Insulation 2 Means of Patient Protection (dielectric and spacings requirements) 4) Do a thorough Risk Analysis per ISO 14971:2007 (that is what IEC 60601-1:2005 + A1:2012) or in the EU use EN 14971:2012 with the associated EN 60601-1, ed. 3.1

Hope this helps,
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On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Mike Sherman <msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net>> wrote:

There are a number of documented cases of counterfeit or knock off Apple USB chargers that do not pass dielectric testing; a couple have been suspected in shock related deaths. This is an unstated background to this discussion.

Mike Sherman
Graco Inc.

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My first thought: what has the origin of the charger has to do with it being potentially faulty? Any device may broke; that's why there are requirements for single fault condition.

with best regards,

Ari Honkala

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Subject: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

Colleagues,

EN 60601-1 3rd ed. requires the manufacturer to take a risk assessment based approach to the safety of their electrical medical products.

With the increased used of universal USB power as a source for battery charging, it’s easy for the risk assessment to identify use of the medical device with a potentially faulty charger either because the device manufacturer has not included a USB power adapter/charger wth the product or because the user has chosen to use a charger other than the one supplied by the manufacturer.

How far does the manufacturer need to go in order to provide protection against the hazards from a faulty charger, not supplied by them? Bear in mind the hazardous scenarios may include a patient contact device being used while being charged.

I await opinions with interest!

NIck.

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