This definitely doesn't look like the issue I mentioned. Our machines are slower and have more limited accelerations so those may be our limiting factors rather than this issue. I'll try to keep this issue in mind going forward and am open to helping how I can.
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 2:18 AM Marius <mar...@mastercut.co.za> wrote: > I did not do the G93 test myself but one of the other members did. The > gcode is on the thread > > On 2023/07/07 18:21, John Allwine wrote: > > Can you attach a G code program that uses G93 that demonstrates the > issue you’re describing with your INI config file you’re using? > > > > > >> On Jul 7, 2023, at 8:19 AM, Marius <mar...@mastercut.co.za> wrote: > >> > >> Have a look at this forum thread where all the testing was done and > the problem discussed as it was encountered. Everything that you mentioned > here was tested and the results are not always as expected. > >> > >> > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/plasmac/49293-qtplasmac-with-fourth-axis-rotary?start=60 > >> > >> > >>> On 2023/07/07 16:03, Todd Zuercher wrote: > >>> The single line look-ahead is only a limiting factor when commanded > g-code segments are shorter than what your acceleration settings can > achieve the commanded speed in. For example if your machine is configured > for 100in/sec^2 acceleration and milling at 90inchs/min it would be able to > maintain full speed through g-code with segments a little less than 0.01 > inch long without any slow down due to single line look-ahead. > >>> > >>> Don't be confused by the huge slow down potentially caused by not > using G93 (inverse time feeds) when you should be for mixed linear/angular > commands. That slow down is caused by the F feed rate being applied in > degrees/min limiting the moves speed (a 10 degree move at normal F90 will > take 6.7 seconds.) A move will always be limited by which ever is slower > the move's F speed in degrees/min or distance/min. If a combined move's > degrees moved is greater than the linear distance moved, then the feed rate > of the angular move will be controlling the time of the move. Switching > from inches to mm in your G-code could also have a big effect, making the F > settings 25.4 times larger, and therefore the angular moves 25.4 times > faster. > >>> > >>> Todd Zuercher > >>> P. Graham Dunn Inc. > >>> 630 Henry Street > >>> Dalton, Ohio 44618 > >>> Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Marius <mar...@mastercut.co.za> > >>> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2023 4:17 AM > >>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Trajectory planner > shortcomings > >>> > >>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > >>> > >>>> On 2023/07/06 22:54, John Allwine wrote: > >>>> The latest software on the Pocket NC is using the same trajectory > planner as what is in LinuxCNC. > >>>> > >>>> I haven’t followed the whole thread. What seems to be wrong with the > trajectory planner when doing 4 or 5-axis? > >>> The trajectory planner only has one line look ahead for any rotary > axis. > >>> So this means that trajectory planning is not really happening and > performance is very poor when trying to achieve faster moves. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Eric Keller <keller...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The Pocket NC runs Machinekit. I'm told machinekit has a better TP, > >>>>> but I haven't seen any evidence of that. > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 12:27 PM Roland Jollivet > >>>>>> <roland.jolli...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The small 4-axis CNC machine,'Pocket Nc' uses LinuxCNC as far as I > >>>>>> can tell, and it seems to run just fine. Or does it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Roland > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jul 2023 at 20:16, andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jul 2023 at 18:34, Marius <mar...@mastercut.co.za> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> The problem seems to be that our trajectory planner lack the > >>>>>>>> ability to look ahead for any rotary axis. 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