On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:14:20 -0800 "Robert G. Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> [snip]
> > etox is meant to be a lot more complex than evas could/would/should do.
> > basically its mean t to do entire page formatting with paragraphs, columns,
> > text wrapping/flowing around objects/obstacles, alignment, change of font
> > size, font, style, color, embed "links" etc. basically what the DOX code did
> > in e16 - and more, but in a library so it can be used where you need complex
> > text handling.
> [snip]
> As a non-coding lurker (but enthusiastic user, and certainly one who
> trusts your judgement as regards to e), can I ask if you have
> objections to Gecko (let alone its larger brother, the terrible
> Lizard) in the role you set for 'etox' or is there an impedance
> mismatch between what the Gecko code does and what you want?
definitely not what we want. do we need an entire web browser to browse
documentation? i remember my reasons for dox - and they are still just as valid.
start a while web browser using many Mb of ram to view a simple help doc or
file? display some text wrapped around a diagram telling you what to do? how
about the extension of this.. using etox to format "help baloons" (or tooltips)
shall we suddenly require gecko/mozilla in the wm for this? no. this is why we
want etox. its a text formatting lib. it does it in an evas canvas. this is what
we want. mozilla (or gecko) does not do this, thus it is not what we want.
mozilla is HUGE. etox is TINY. there is one of the biggest reasons for using
etox.
when dox was written it started up in < 0.5 seconds. i remember at the time
netscape took > 6 seconds to start. this alone was a big reason - do u want to
wait 6, 10 or more seconds just to quickly view a document or look up something
then quit? i think not. yes our machines are faster - but what of the people on
P2-300's or even pentiums? i am still very much wanting to support these people
and make their desktop experience a joy. have yo used kde or gnome lately on a
pentium300 with 128mb ram? they crawl at continental drift. they take in the
order of a minute to start. e16 takes a few seconds. (less than 5) e17 is even a
bit faster than that. if its fast for people on their p300's or so - it will fly
like nothing else on your overgrown 1.5ghz whatever box. then we can afford to
use up the extra cycles even making things animate etc. if people want. i see no
use in spending cpu cycles doing what we can do for a lot less.
> I know Gecko is an HTML rendering engine (or is it considered an XML
> rendering engine now?) but it sounds a bit like what you would like
> etox to do.
>
> I'm certainly not trying to start a flame fest (famous last words of
> one holding a lit match and several Molotov cocktails). Would you
> mind re-explaining your position on this (I seem to remember asking
> this of you befor or that someone else did)?
>
> Thanks for your patience and your willingness to give us an insight
> into your thinking.
>
> BTW, if this a waste of time, don't hesitate to ignore me ;-). I'd
> much rather have e.17 than your answer ;-).
>
>
> --
> Robert G. Werner
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 2001/9/11
>
> Hitchcock's Staple Principle:
> The stapler runs out of staples only while you are trying to
> staple something.
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