Am Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:56:15 -0500 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hey, I just realized that I only did a "reply", and not a "reply all" > on that last email. I'm using webmail at the moment, which doesn't > seem to save my sent emails anywhere, so could you please forward it > to the list? (or at least send your reply to the list).
Yes I'll do that. Here it is: > > But: > > - the "pseudo" window decoration looks like in winter theme. I think > > it looks not good in other themes > > The winter elicit theme was designed to go with the rest of the winter > themes, including the dr16 border theme. Feel free to create a more > generic theme (you could even make a rectangular one that acutally > uses the window manager's borders). Unfortunately, due to the fact > that elicit uses edje for theming, it is not possible to make it, say, > match your current gtk theme. (But, e.g. xmms doesn't do that either). > > > - because window decoration isn't a real window decoration I > > couldn't > > move elicit to another virtual desktop with using magic borders. > > Pressing ALT while moving is a workaround, but not very > > "intuitive". > > The same thing happens with xmms, and any other skinnable app that > doesn't use the wm's borders. If anyone has any ideas on how to get > around this, I'd be glad to hear them. > > > - the "zoom icon" looks nearly the same as the "close icon" > > really? i don't see it. one is 1px wide crosshairs in a scope, and the > other is a thick X. sure the crosshairs are vaguely X shaped, but i > think there is enough of a distinction between the two to tell them > apart fairly easily. Yes on my screen it looks nearly the same. (1280x1024 on a 17" monitor). But the monitor is ~ 8 years old,... > > - the icons at the left tab are realy small and not intuitive > > - no tooltips > > tooltips are definitely on the list of things to be added. and yes, > the icons are small and unintuitive, (mainly due to space constraints, > and lack of imagination on my part :) > > > - vertical scroller isn't mouse wheel sensible and too small > > yeah, it could be a bit wider, and the wheel sensitive area should be > extended to include the scrollbar itself (currently you can use the > wheel over the list of swatches / shots) Hm, I'll try this... > > - vertical scroller doen't behave like other unix scrollers. For > > example > > click with middle button jump to scroll position... > > i've never used the middle button on a scroller, so i didn't implement > it. shouldn't be hard to do though. i'll add it to the todo list. I wrote a lot of gtk2 applications and never implemented this feature. I expect if you use a "finished" widget this functionality should be implemented in the widget (or not). > > - fonts are too small -> please look at my screenshot[1] and compare > > it > > to Gimp (gtk2) on the same screenshot > > > > the fonts are small because the application is small. i > wrote/designed elicit primarily for my own usage, and thus tailored > the theme to my setup (1280x1024 on a 17" monitor). A larger font > simply wouldn't fit with the rest of the theme. A 'winter-large' theme > could be made to address alot of these problems(or any other theme). Ok, I created yet a 'winter-like-large' theme (SilverMania), but how can I learn to theme elicit or more generell all E0.17 apps? Or is the theme format API still in development and change often? > > Perhaps some comments aren't elicit specific and depend on the > > widget library (ewl?). Could someone please answer why all E0.17 > > apps and E0.16 itself has such small fonts and widgets compared to > > _all_ other widget sets? The first thing I did after switching to > > E0.16 was creating my own theme (SilverMania) because the most > > existing themes are too small on my screen. Here is a screenshot[2] > > of winter on my system. As I read on the user-list I'm not the only > > person with this problem. So please give any comment about this. Why > > doesn't other environments have this font/widget size problems? > > > > [1] http://brachttal.net/tmp/elicit1.jpg > > > > Here you can see the font problem: > > [2] http://brachttal.net/tmp/winter_small.jpg > > the title is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~" -> Can you read it without elicit? > > ;-) > > > > sure, not a problem, looks beautiful here :) Yes, it seems it's a problem with my bad monitor :-( > > Another widget size example: > > http://brachttal.net/tmp/focus2.jpg > > The "X" in the checkbutton looks like a dot (winter theme). I'll > > size this up in my own theme next time, but you see the "widget size > > problem"? > > Wow, the X in the checkbox looks a dot to you? I'm starting to think > that you must have a really blurry monitor. The winter theme was > designed on the pixel level as a small, clean, lightweight theme. If > your monitor doesn't clearly display 1px wide lines, then I'm sure the > theme could be a bit unusable for you. (However, I can only suggest > that you don't use the theme, as I don't have access to such a monitor > and thus have no means of developing a theme that would look good/be > usable on one). Ok, you're right. I tried today Enlightenment on another monitor (1280x1024 on borrowed very sharp 17" LCD). But until I'm a poor student I've no money to buy a new :-( I think I create a new bigger theme. > > Perhaps it's an idea to give size settings in the E themes not in > > pixel, but in a value that is sized with resolution and screen size > > to avoid this problem. As I remember in Windows (at least Visual > > Basic) there's something called "Twips". Or is there another idea > > how to solve this widget/font size problem with different resolution > > and/or screen size? > > > > Unfortunately, Winter is (for lack of a better term) a pixel-level > design. A certain degree of resolution independence exists (i.e. a > button could be made at any size, but the curved corners would remain > the same size). However, things like icons (e.g. the zoom/shoot/close > buttons in elicit) cannot be resized while retaining any sort of > decent appearance. (a consequence of pixel level design). (without > completely redrawing from scratch...) > > Of all the winter-themed apps, the e16 borders would probably be the > least work to make a larger font/widget version of, and since it is > now the default theme, we should probably do something like this > eventually. Say what you like or dislike in my theme and I'll change it to a new e16 "really blurry old monitor" theme for half blind people ;-) > I am currently studying abroad in Germany for the summer, and won't > really be able to do anything coding/theme wise until I get back to > the states (early august). So, don't expect too much from me until > then :) I'm from germany and study here also. ;-) regards Andreas ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
