On 2/7/2013 8:23 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com
<mailto:allco...@gmail.com>> wrote:
2013/2/7 Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com
<mailto:multiplecit...@gmail.com>>
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com
<mailto:allco...@gmail.com>> wrote:
2013/2/6 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 2/6/2013 1:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Feb 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/5/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 1:14:07 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 PM, Craig Weinberg
<whats...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unpopular religions are denounced as cults.
A religion is just a cult with good PR.
It's interesting. I would be curious to know whether every
established religion intentionally sought legitimacy at some
point,
What would that mean? Legal? Where there is official government
recognition of religion (and probably tax breaks) the answer
would be
that they sought the recognition. And all that you can consider
'established' have sought adherents. But "legitimacy"?? I'm
not sure
how that world can be attached to "religion".
In my country, that is the case. Religions have to be
recognized by the
government. If not they are classified as sect, and are
forbidden (like
scientology). It is awkward and arbitrary, but that's simply
the case.
I'm curious. How do they get recognized? Do they have to
apply,
They have to apply. But contrary to what Bruno claims, sect are not
illegal,
some sects can and have been declared illegal (as any group can
be). But for
example, scientology is not illegal in Belgium (for now) but they
are often
brought to justice by ex-member (for good reason I think).
Sorry to be frank, but if this is serious (I miss some joke), then it
is naive:
the mechanism that serves to monitor and "regulate" the founding of
religions in
Western Europe, is the same judicial tool to control and finally repress
religious groups- by seemingly "integrating" them.
The moment any of these groups moves to do things like:
Well they have to conform to the laws (same as in the USA)... So no sects
are not
illegal in belgium, they can't be declared illegal as long as they conform
to the
laws like anywhere else on earth. And as I said, scientology *is not*
illegal in
belgium and it is *in practice* not in theory.
No if you rant about the laws it's a totally different subject and you
should not
conflate the two.
Why? Because religious beliefs have nothing to do with judicial concepts?
Our judicial marriage model has nothing to do with the Christian conception of
marriage?
There is no freedom of religion,
You seem to jump from there are some restrictions on practices that claimed to be
religious, to there is NO freedom of religion. Is it your position that freedom of
religion only exists when every practice called 'religion' by its adherents is permitted?
I hope you don't have freedom of religion for Aztecs.
no freedom of thought, no legality of sects that stray from Western European
Christian-Secular legal conceptions => this is "conflated" via history, so don't blame
the messenger รก la "thou shalt not conflate"... also you take this conflation for
granted in arbitrary manner suiting your argument, but not when I raise religious
freedom issues + you legitimize via "because they conform to the laws like everywhere
else on earth", which is not an argument.
Discriminatory laws have been passed before and continue to be passed.
The legality of sects you cite is peanuts given to caged animals, to be a bit
hyperbolic :)
The freedom of religion you seek is like letting the lions run free in the zoo - to be a
little hyperbolic.
Brent
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