Brent, Please at least keep the record straight instead of making snide comments about me.
I asked How does mass inside a BH produce an gravitational effect outside the event horizon if gravity propagates at the speed of light and nothing can go faster than the speed of light to come out of a black hole? Your answer was that when mass enters a black hole the mass disappears completely into the singularity and has NO gravitational effect outside and that the gravitational effect of a BH is somehow left over space warping from the passage of the mass before it enters the BH which seems like a pretty crazy idea. Passing mass doesn't leave trails of its space warping behind in any other circumstances. My answer, that no one including you got, is that it is the gravitational field of the mass inside the BH that creates the event horizon in the first place so gravitational effect of the mass inside the BH is already 'out' by the time the event horizon is created and there is no problem emerging from the event horizon since the gravitational field is what creates it in the first place. So don't try to change history by snidely implying I got it wrong and you got it right when the opposite is true.... You claim that BH's don't even have any mass and the curved space outside the event horizon is residual warping with nothing to sustain it which is incorrect. i provide the obvious answer of how the actual mass inside a black hole produces and sustains the actual gravitational field outside the event horizon. Edgar On Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56:56 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/27/2014 3:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Jan 2014, at 06:55, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/26/2014 9:19 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 27 January 2014 17:31, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net <javascript:>>wrote: > >> On 1/26/2014 6:44 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 27 January 2014 14:08, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net <javascript:>>wrote: >> >>> On 1/26/2014 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> I have provided the definition. Should I repeat? >>> God is the transcendental reality we bet on, and which is supposed to be >>> responsible for my or our existence. >>> >>> Sounds like "physics" to me. >>> >> >> If physics is transcendental, a lot of people may be wasting their time >> trying to find a TOE. >> >> Depends on what "transcendental" things have to transcend. Bruno's >> fond of pointing out that physicist just assume that matter is fundamental >> but don't define it. Of course they might say, "It's whatever we find to >> be fundamental...and we're calling it doG." >> >> Transcendental does have a lot of meanings, depending on who's using > it, but generally I'd take it to be something like "beyond our > understanding", hence my (tongue in cheek) comment. > > I think Bruno has a point. Well, at least, I'd be disappointed if > physicist decided that they couldn't explain matter etc, and that they > should just "shut up and calculate" from now on. > > > Refer to my discourse on solving "the hard problem". If you calculate > stuff accurately and predict stuff that surprising, people will think > you've explained it. > > > By definition, that can solve only the easy problem. You just dismiss > the hard problem. > > Yet, the hard problem is 99,9% solvable, but with the price that > physicalism is wrong. net adavantage, we do get an explanation, not only > for consciousness, but also for the origin of matter. > > Here I 'm afraid you tend to be an eliminativist, here. > > > That's the main point. Science has advanced and people *suppose* that it > has explained gravity and electromagnetism and atoms and descent of species > and lots of other stuff. But what it has done is show their relations and > made accurate predictions AND *eliminated* the things people asked to be > explained: Newton didn't explain what pushed the planets around. Darwin > didn't explain how animals adapted. Maxwell didn't explain the > luminiferous ether. Just like we can't explain to Edgar how gravity gets > out of a black hole. Science advances a lot by "eliminativism". > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
