On Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:29:09 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Feb 2014, at 00:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:43:29 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >> On 15 February 2014 18:32, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You can't copy awareness. Awareness is what is uncopyable, not just >>> because awareness is special, but because it is ontologically perpendicular >>> to the possibility of simulation. All attempts to copy awareness result in >>> a doll. >> >> >> Does that then entail that if a conscious amoeba were to fission, the >> resulting two amoebae would be unconscious? Or only one of them? >> > > That's not a copy of an amoeba, reproducing its body is part of what an > amoeba does. > > > But the evidences we have is that amoeba use the Dx = "xx" method for the > self-copy (indeed I discovered it by looking at amoeba and reading book on > molecular biology, before finding the logicians got it). >
That makes sense to me because the amoeba's body will look like a copy to our body's senses. A 3p view of 3p is truncated and filled in generically. The 1p amoeba is the localized subset of the entire history of amoeba-like experience, not just the isolated maintainer of the 3p amoeba body. When we look for 3p evidence, we will not necessarily see 1p authenticity as certain evidence. The authenticity has to be felt through the feeling as semi-describable aesthetic qualities...which is where we get a lot of unscientific sounding terms like life force, kundalini, prana, xi, etc. These kind of numinous qualities apply not just to living beings, but to works of art, sacred places, etc, if you are subjectively receptive to their authenticity. They do not give us infallible proof of originality, but they are reminders that there is an important difference between 'something' and *the real thing*. > > Copy and self-copy are different, for machines too, but in the case under > study, this does not entail any observable difference, and if you are > right, it means that the copy doll will be a zombie. > The reproduction of the amoeba's body is an approximate copy from our 3p perspective, but the Xp copier itself cannot be copied. It is not only unique, but it is uniqueness itself - meta-unique if you like. The Xp copier is consciousness, who provides both the meaning and the method of copying. All arithmetic truth relates only to the 3p view of Xp copying language. Craig > Bruno > > > > > >> >> David >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
