> On 23 Jul 2014, at 9:19 am, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ant Hillary is (at least in DRH's fable) roughly comparable to a human brain. 
> Clearly the level of integration is (almost certainly) looser - our neurons 
> don't wander around, but maintain (more or less) fixed relationships to each 
> other, at least on the timescale of holding a conversation (the brain is of 
> course able to "rewire" itself on longer timescales), while ants aren't so 
> constrained. But personally I can easily believe there might be "hive minds", 
> maybe not on this planet but somewhere. One can imagine an isomorphism 
> between neurons, or perhaps larger scale "processing cores", and some type of 
> organisms that communicate by, say, radio - like the components of Hoyle's 
> black cloud, for example.
> 

OK. So what does this say about the concept of the 'self'? It may be that it 
switches on when all the resources necessary are hooked up. A 'self' simply 
happens when the necessary elements are in place. The self exists independent 
of evolution. This appears to be what I am flailing about to get out. Also, it 
has a geography. It has departments and committees. It has sub-selves or elves. 
The self can also be in conflict with itself, producing inconsistent behaviour. 
I'm sure a lot of these guys who murder their wives then saw them up and throw 
them in the freezer actually have parts of their personality (other 'selves') 
who thought it was a bad idea at the time. 

Kim

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