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"I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a
lot of them are in government" - Russell Brand
> On 20 Dec 2014, at 4:37 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>
>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 16:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
>>
>> I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that she
>> himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy legitimate them in a more
>> perverse way
>>
>>
>> It is not the same to live under your Lord as Lord that to live under your
>> "representants" "democratically" chosen. It is not the same to be opressed
>> by someone recognizable as a concrete person against which you can at least
>> fight coaligated with others than to live oppressed by an impersonal
>> burocratic structure where you don´t know who decides what. and therefore do
>> not know who to fight against. It is not the same for a Lord that he is
>> responsible of what happens in the face of the people than a democratic lord
>> whose responsibility is diffuminated in a network of power so that no one
>> accept any final responsibility.
>>
>> It is not the same to be a Lord whose children will inherit the political
>> power or else will be killed depending on the scrutiny of society than to be
>> the member of a opaque network that exploit the state for the benefit of the
>> political caste system.
>>
>> Definitively, the democratic legitimation permits a more perfect tyranny,
>> where no one know for sure who has the power. The are not by no means the
>> ones that change power every four years, but a permanent power structure
>> that control the mass media and the "democratic representants"
>
> I agree partially with you. But I think this describes the state of a sick
> democracy, if not a dead democracy. So, yes, democracies are living beings,
> fragile, which can be perverted and lead to tyrannies. That is even the case
> today, with a tyranny of special corporate monopolistic interests which
> disrupted the condition 1 of a (sane) democracy: the separation of power.
>
> OK, we must find the cause and correct it. In a non democracy, we might need
> to wait for a revolution before. In a democracy which is not yet entirely
> rotten, I can write books and suggest ideas.
>
> We must not confuse the system well alert and valiant, and the system when
> sick. It would be like saying that the blood cells fuels the cancer, when it
> is just the cancer cells which pervert the bloods cells.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>>
>> 2014-12-19 13:42 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 18 Dec 2014, at 14:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an
>>>> ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest tend to
>>>> reproduce it in a bastardized way.
>>>
>>> I would say that democracy reproduce it, but with some hope of changing the
>>> bastard things when they come up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That means that wathever the formal gobernment, the human nature tend
>>>> towards a feudal system of loyalities, towards persons and families rather
>>>> than a loyality to depersonalized institutions. These loyalities can help
>>>> or cans subvert the formal ldemocratic regime.
>>>>
>>>> That is why the democratic regimes need a form of cult to the founders
>>>> of the democracy, or else, a monarchy that embodies the loyalities and
>>>> canalize that loyality from the king to the democratic regime sanctioned
>>>> by him. For the same reason, the republican democracies need the cult to
>>>> some withened political figures that symbolize their values.
>>>>
>>>> That may or may not work. Some of these loyalities can destroy the formal
>>>> regime or, more frequently can corrupt or undermine it, so that the formal
>>>> system hides the real one, which makes use of the formal system for their
>>>> own purposes. Since this real regime is hidden, it adopt a form of corrupt
>>>> system, wheren the lawyers, police, media etc don´t execute what the
>>>> formal law tells but what is adequeate for the hidden loyality system.
>>>
>>> But that is not a reason to directly implement the feudal system. democracy
>>> are not perfect, but they are the implementation of a system which allows
>>> changes and corrections, when it works sufficiently well. If not, it means
>>> the system is no more democratic, and we have to start a revolution again.
>>>
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Normally this last one is the real regime that operates in every so called
>>>> "democracy"
>>>>
>>>> 2014-12-18 11:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from
>>>>>> all the others."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>
>>>>> So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected sovereigns?
>>>>> The fellow was full of contradictions:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with
>>>>> the average voter."
>>>>>
>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>
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