Franz vander Walls (horrors Bruno a Waloon!) has stated that Chimp society are 
5-17 times more violent the human societies, on the whole. Reason? We monkies 
use speech to communicate and cooperate with each other more than Chimps. We 
are about the only species that consistently like to feed each other, strange 
as this seems.  



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From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Democracy


On 1/15/2015 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I would have said by nature. Apes does not sent his fellows in gas chambers. 

But they do.  Sometimes chimpanzees gang up on member of their pack and kill 
him.

> people misbehave in a large part due to civilisation, which reacts naturally 
in 
> developing those software at a different level, which is slow adaptation.

Civilisation is the extension of tribal relations to all the people of a city 
(or state).  
Humans tend to have natural tribal relations with a few dozen people.  To have 
those 
extended to hundreds or thousands requires culture, laws, and government.  So 
it 
is not 
that civilisation causes misbehavior, it's that it redefines the boundaries 
within which 
fraternal behavior is mandated.  Steven Pinker's book "The Better Angels of Our 
Nature" 
argues that this civilizing influence has been very successful in reducing 
misbehavior.

Brent

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