On Sat, May 27, 2017 David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> Data feels something? >> > > > > > Yes. > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Data feels something in a way? >> > > > > > Yes. > > > Ah, now I see what you mean. Proof by repetitive assertion. >
I'm glad you see what I mean, but unfortunately I don't see what you mean. You asked questions and I answered them without equivocation to the best of my ability. > > >> >> >> >> When 'it' is being processed? >> > > >> > Yes, but I don't understand why that pronoun is hiding inside quotation > marks, the referent is clear. > > > > > It can't be clear unless you can distinguish data from the particular > physical relations > I point to a tree and then point to the word "tree" written in ink on paper, and it you are watching this and you are a intelligent person or computer you get the idea that one is a symbol for the other. > > > there simply is no canonical way of achieving this without the implicit > assumption of a privileged interpretation from outside the system in > question. > Well yes, but we can go outside the system and so can a computer, we do have access to information that is not innate to our brain, that's what our senses are for. If you were as ignorant of the outside world as you were on the day you were born you wouldn't know anything except pleasure and pain. > >> > Processed by matter that obeys the laws of physics obviously. > > > > > And how then is that supposed to produce a distinguishable outcome from > the straightforward transition from one physical state to another? > That not hard to produce because not all physical transformations are identical just as not all ideas are identical; so they can match up. When the electrical contacts under the "7" and the "+" and the "2" key closes a current forms that lights up a LED next to the "9" symbol, but when the 3, +.and 5 key is depressed a different physical current forms and a different light goes on, this time next to a 8; and we note that when we add 7+ 2 and 3+ 5 in our head we also get 9 and 8, and being intelligent creatures we recognize the connection between what going on in our head and what's going on in the computer. And it works both ways, if the computer is smart enough it will recognize that what's going on in it's microprocessor can be mapped with what's going on in your brain. > > > The implication of the terms you use IMO rather too loosely > > above > I ask again, which word didn't you understand? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
