An apt question (for me) is how knowing that we dwell within a Diophantine
equation help matters? Help, our specie in either engineering (building new
stuff) or mentally? Or is the Diophantine thing, just a mental buzz that people
gifted with tightly, wired neurons, (spindle cells?) find great pleasure? I
envy you your intellectual superiority in this (no, I am not mocking!) and just
wanting to place this in my own mind, being, a witless, dirty fingered,
dust-footed American peasant. All the best
Spud the peasant (grubby)
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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:07 am
Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?
On 1 Aug 2018, at 23:36, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
If the cat is always in a mixed state, discussing decoherence
times in the context of this wf make no sense, at least to me. But
if you insist on this, mustn't the overall wf be a mixed
state, making the radioactive source, and so forth, also mixed
states?
An atom can be in a superposition of decayed and not decayed because it
is relatively isolated.
An atom can be measured as being in a superposition state BY YOU because it is
relatively isolated FROM YOU.
If an atom is in a superposition state, QM-without collapse explains this, and
explain why you cannot directly see the superposition if you interact with the
atom. But the superposition never disappeared, it has only be be contagious on
your own state, and like in the WM-duplication, each “copies” see the atom like
it has deciphered and lost its means to show interferences.
Bruno
It doesn't radiate IR photons or have other interactions with the
environment. Haven't you read Schlosshauer's paper yet?
Brent
AG
Unrelated to this issue AFAICT. If the superposition
with the cat used as a starting point for your decoherence
analysis doesn't exist as representing anything, it's baffling
that any conclusions can be reached. OTOH, if the two component
states are mixed, that's a fact that seems never in evidence,
certainly not in what I have read about decoherence theory. AG
Brent
, you have a two state system using the standard
interpretation of superposition, meaning the
system is in both states simultaneously, not a
mixed state. AG
Isn't this the standard interpretation of a
superposition of states? AG
It doesn't go away because the
decoherence time is exceedingly
short.
Yes is does go away. Even light
can't travel the length of a cat in
a nano-second.
And for this reason I still conclude
that Schroedinger correctly
pointed out the fallacy in
the standard interpretation
of superposition; namely,
that the system represented by a
superposition, is in all components
states simultaneously. AG
It's not a fallacy. It just doesn't
apply to the cat or other
macroscopic objects, with rare
laboratory exceptions.
Other
than slit experiments where superposition
can be interpreted as the system being in
both component states simultaneously,
why is this interpretation
extendable to all isolated quantum
systems? AG
?? Any system can be mathematically
represented as being in a superposition of
different basis states. It's just a consequence of
being a vector in a vector space. Any vector can be
written as a sum of other vectors.
OK, never had a
problem with this. AG
Your use of the words "interpreted" and "this
interpretation" is unclear.
I am using those words as I think
Schroedinger did, where he assumes a
system in a superposition of states, is in
all component states simultaneously. It is from
that assumption, or interpretation, that he
finds the contradiction or absurdity of a cat
alive and dead simultaneously. AG
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