The worst one has to be than/then. It gets butchered all the time.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/than.html


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51110413-3707...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51110413-3707...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of
Mayo, Bill
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

That one drives me totally insane. 

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From: bounce-51110389-4906...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51110389-4906...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Crowley [MVP]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

I'll bet you see this one the most:
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/lose.html

Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51110221-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51110221-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of
Hawkins, Geni P
Sent: February 13, 2009 12:50
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

That's a great resource.  Thanks for sending the link. This former copy
editor thanks you, as I see at least one of these errors on a daily
basis on Teh InterTubes.

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51108686-597...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51108686-597...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Crowley [MVP]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/your.html


Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51095706-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51095706-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Fernicola
Sent: February 12, 2009 14:59
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools


The average Exchange Admin can only work within the GUI of windows and
exchange. The advanced exchange admin knows VB, powershell, etc and can
script themselves out of a mess, or use it to create an adhoc report.


And no your wrong again.

You have to install Perl, and java to support either in Windows.

Windows all ready understands VB OUT OF THE BOX, and with MS Log Parser
you can mix SQL statements into your command with out having anything
else installed on your box.


Again I'm trying to steer people towards the path of least resistance.






-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51095077-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51095077-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Crowley [MVP]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

What?  It was Microsoft's best 1.0 product release ever.

Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51094632-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51094632-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Skrotzki
Sent: February 12, 2009 14:07
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

I've not heard that product mentioned in a good 5 years.  

When I read this message I had this sudden urge to run out the door
screaming...

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51093448-3713...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51093448-3713...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Vander Kooi
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

Sorry, I used msmail prior to Exchange 4. :-P


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51093395-2798...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51093395-2798...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of
Hawkins, Geni P
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

Well, obviously, to me, *I'm* the average.  Hasn't everyone else been
working with Exchange since 4.x, having previously known more than one
would ever care to about IBM PROFS and OfficeVision (and cc:Mail, and
Pine, and...)?

Thank you,

Geni P. Hawkins
Systems Engineer
Highline Public Schools
206-433-2201
hawki...@hsd401.org

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51093332-597...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51093332-597...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Crowley [MVP]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

Define "average".  I'd be very hard-pressed to come up with a profile of
an "average" Exchange administrator.

Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51093267-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51093267-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Fernicola
Sent: February 12, 2009 13:22
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

Your missing the point Chris. You and I may fully understand Perl and
programming in general, but that's because we are developers.

I am trying to steer Exchange Admins who are obviously not developers or
even scripter's towards the simplest easiest solution. If an admin needs
to ask how to analyze his exchange logs then I'm assuming he's not up to
the task of writing his own solution.  Therefore suggesting a custom
Perl scenario may be out of reach for most people; hence why I recommend
people to look at MS Log Parser because they will find already ready
working scripts to answer their ?'s. Those scripts will also be in a
much easier to understand format thus allowing novices to alter and edit
them to fit their needs.

Nothing against Perl, it just doesn't fit well for the average exchange
admin.












Brett Fernicola
Systems Engineer
STEALTHbits Technologies, Inc.
(201) 447-9356

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51090709-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51090709-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-51080486-1429...@intm-dl.sparklist.com
[mailto:bounce-51080486-1429...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of
Brett Fernicola Posted At: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:28 PM Posted
To: swynk
Conversation: Exchange reporting tools
Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools

#1 Windows does not natively support Perl

So I guess if installing ActiveState Perl on my box is insufficient I'll
use my Ubuntu box. What is that FUD supposed to mean?

#2 Making a custom report in Perl is much harder then using SQL Code and
VB.

Source? Examples? What does that even mean? I can state with 100%
certainty that for me your assertion is untrue.

#3 Have fun researching and finding help with Perl in regards to
Exchange Metric log crunching.

I still don't know what an Exchange Metric log is, but I'm relatively
new to Exchange. What would I need help with exactly? Parsing a log file
in Perl? It's one of Perl's core strengths. Would I need to ask a Perl
developer what a log field or value meant if I didn't know or could
anyone with a working knowledge of Exchange answer that? Is a Perl
developer going to have a more interesting take on message counting
standards than a C# developer? Why can't I debate that with both?


#4 There is already a user base of people using MS log parser to crunch
exchange Logs, they will help and share their scripts with you. I doubt
you will find this level of support with Perl.

I assume the 'you' here is the generic you. Because I could have a half
dozen Perl samples in my inbox with a single email.

#5 Again if you want support, help, & samples use SQL and VB, which are
all understood by windows natively.

I've helped build Exchange log parsing tools in Java. Got plenty of
support, had developers smart enough to understand samples written in
other languages and I think it was running on some damn Solaris box for
all it matters.


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