WTF is the spiritual status and authority of a person who would write with this kind of arrogance, vanity, and self-righteousness? The cold sneering pridefulness here, it is a disqqualifiera serious disqualifierfor any claims that you know the first thing about why you were created, the nature of ultimate truth, or what is reality. Can you please cease and desist, Vaj? Sure, let's go offlineif this will spare us from reading someone as pompous and insolent as you are. It's a PROBLEM, Vaj: you don't know what humility, innocence, sincerity even isThe Pinocchio effect. I am very sorry, Vaj: How about if I promise not to rub your nose in it from now on. Will that deter you from punishing us with posts like this? How can you claim any kind of spiritual disinterestedness when you write into the consciousness of another person at FFL who you have determined is "on your side". If you calculate this in what you post, then you vitiate any claims to want to know the truth. Because if truth was your objective you would not customize your post in such an incestuous way like this.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:15 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > Is it the same thing, or something different? Beats me? > > I am no neuroscientist, or even a trained behavioral > > scientist. All I know is that if some of the states > > that we commonly see "awakened" people go through are > > (as we suspect) a little more than "eccentric," it's a > > situation that is made more serious by total belief in > > the sanctity and "truth" of subjective experience. > > What's amazing to me is to have witnessed the machinations of a so- > called "enlightened man" in 1983 and to find no discernible > difference between 1983 and 2011 - except I have a better > understanding now of mental illness, back then it was just the > intuition that 'something's not right here'. Of course once everyone > saw the videos of "the enlightened man" beating one of his students, > on official video, on the stage - that was the last straw. The > emperor of ice cream melted. > > > People have been taught for decades that their subjec- > > tive experience is the holy grail with which to judge > > "spiritual experience" or their "evolution" towards > > something they've been told is enlightenment. At the > > same time, there was no instruction along the way that > > taught them how to differentiate between actual spir- > > itual experience and overwhelming emotion. > > Well, as TMers we were not taught to refine attention, let alone > master it's balance - but we believed we were anyways....that's what > they said! An institutionalized fear of effort made sure of that > never would occur. Hell some TMers still imagine themselves in these > exalted samadhis - it's insanely hilarious and insanely sad at the > same time. > > Circa the early 80's many TMers I knew got caught up in 'healing the > "emotional body"' thang. The belief that was spread around was that > TM was too dry as it transcended the emotional body, thereby skipping > it. So a popular cult arose, combining a mixture of hyperventilation, > focused massage and rebirthing in hot tubs. It was during one of > those sessions that the first friend I knew declared his status as an > awakened one. Shortly thereafter, the ex-initiator started his own > system - suspiciously based on this bubble diagram-like drawing. We > were all encouraged to move to the Southwestern US, as 'that's where > all the evolved ones were going'. > > He did make an interesting first "channel" on how the followers of > RWC were actually all reincarnations of an off-split that had caused > disciples to leave a legit guru for a false guru. > > > As a result > > (IMO), they get into a manic state, interpret the > > overwhelming emotions of it as "spiritual," and > > consider what they're going through -- *whatever* > > it may be -- synonymous with Truth. > > They're healing their emotional bodies, can't you SEE? All that > emotion's been pent up from all that rounding. TM was just too damn > efficient for American nervous systems! > > > So in a way the manic states become self-replicating. > > Having convinced themselves that a previous manic > > state was something akin to enlightenment, they > > mood-make more of them. > > Well it's interesting because the Sanskrit word for "mood" is > "bhava". The words for TM are bhavatita-dhyana, that is literally > "beyond moods meditation". But what is it they get enlightened in? > > Moods. Or mood management. Or lack of mood management. Whatever you > want to call it. >
