I love the way you say "merely" wrong about something. But you are a master at
making all this insanity seem reasonable.
What you have to remember is that for most people in the TMO Marshy was
incapable of being wrong about something and they act accordingly no matter how
contradictory or just plain stupid his ideas were.
There are two important things here. First is that MJ is right, the TMO tries
on all sorts of crap just to make money. None of it is tested in anyway other
than in having a few true believers say they had a good "experience" while
doing it. Take MVVT for instance, a masterstroke in that it depends entirely
for it's perceived credibility on people having read King Tony's book which
came out a few years earlier.
I was on a long rounding course when MVVT was introduced and was to be tried
on people at a discount price to get feedback for the brochures. I predicted to
all who would listen (not many) that it would work out to have the same
effectiveness as a placebo, I thought it might be better slightly because of
the self-selecting group of volunteers but no, a placebo it is. Was it removed
from the Marshy catalogue of products? No.
And nor was anything else that gets sold based on the myth of vedic
superiority, like yagyas or just plain ayurveda itself. I still get monthly
notices that an expert in this "world's greatest system of natural healthcare"
is visiting the country with his "time tested" formulas for perfect health. The
fact that the TMO has been sued many times because of poisonous medicines isn't
mentioned anywhere. And the first thing any sensible ayurvedic doctor does when
a patient gets ill is recommend they go to a specialist! They often ignore that
advice and effectively kill themselves by relying on rasayanas but that's
brainwashing for you.
You couldn't make this stuff up. But people really honestly believe it still
regardless of the contrary evidence. At best it's folie a deux, at worst they
know damn well that Marshy products, like yagyas or amrit kalash, aren't any
better than not doing anything at all and should quit it.
PS "Time tested". What does that even mean?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...> wrote :
Well, "enlightened" is such a vague term.
Fred Travis' studies on enlightened TMers (preliminary CC) don't assert that
they are perfect, only that they report a certain kind of internal "experience"
and that there is a physiological pattern associated with the self-reports. It
says nothing about whether they are correct in everything that they do.
That was Maharishi's thing: to assert that enlightened people (meeting his
definition) were going to be perfect in some way.
As for spin-doctoring, this assertion from you has no basis in fact, but is
merely your desire to show that Maharishi was a bad person, rather than merely
wrong about something:
The more likely cause of these folks deaths are that Marshy
didn't know a damn thing about ayurveda and simply used
it as another spring board to financial comfort for Marshy
and family. The fact that he used human lives in his hunt
for fame and comfort is I am sure incidental to Indian
sensibilities but seems rather cavalier to us in the
West.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
How can that be if he was enlightened? And what part of my erudite writing do
you feel is spin doctored?
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On Sun, 4/27/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... <LEnglish5@...
mailto:LEnglish5@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2014, 4:03 PM
The most likely cause of the deaths is that
Ayurveda, Maharishi or otherwise, isn't as perfect as
Maharishi thought it was.
The rest is spin-doctoring on your
part.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...> wrote :
Refined mercury is
not used in every single ayurvedic formula for every ailment
under the sun. Given the fact that lots of terminally ill
patients with various kinds of ailments went to this clinic,
it is unlikely that every formula used called for mercury
and as you know ayurveda doesn't just rely on herbal
formulas - there are a lot of techniques that traditional
ayurved uses that don't involve herbs at all such as oil
pulling routines.
The PR that was always done on Maharishi Ayurveda since its
first unveiling in 1986 was that Marshy was able, with his
enlightened awareness to "cognize the full value of
natural law" in the now fragmented and incomplete
practice of ayurveda, thus ayurveda was "re-enlivened
in terms of its fundamental principles by Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi in collaboration with leading Ayurvedic physicians and
restored to its completeness."
I heard Bevan say many a time at MIU that Marshy's
enlightened awareness enabled him to cognize all the various
deep and subtle aspects of ayurveda that had been missing
for centuries in India and thus ahd restored ayurveda to its
fullness.
If that were the case, it seems clear that it would be
impossible to for there to be a lack of knowledge or
technique on how to refine the mercury to the proper level.
Also given the fact that in India they still use heavy
metals that have been refined in various ayurvedic formulas
with no apparent ill effect and the fact that ayurvedic big
shots like Balraj Maharshi, Dwivedi and especially Triguna
were "working" with Marshy, seems impossible that
such lack of technique could exist, although in
Triguna's case everyone I ever heard from who had a
consultation with him said it was a blast to see him
especially in India where his followers would run around
like Keystone cops doing his bidding cause he was so famous,
yet none of them were ever cured of their ailments by his
herbal prescriptions.
The more likely cause of these folks deaths are that Marshy
didn't know a damn thing about ayurveda and simply used
it as another spring board to financial comfort for Marshy
and family. The fact that he used human lives in his hunt
for fame and comfort is I am sure incidental to Indian
sensibilities but seems rather cavalier to us in the
West.
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On Sun, 4/27/14, nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji
is to be praised
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2014, 12:16 PM
Ayurved has some very powerful tools for boosting
the immunesystem and for rejuvenation. Triguna was behind
the efforts for terminally ill patients so the question
is
why it wasn't more successful. From what I've
heard
it boils down to the failure in purifying mercury which
is
vital in many of the recipy's. Maharishi through
millions on this particular project and had top Vaidyas
working on this since early 80's in Seelisberg. The
day
that is safely possible Ayurveda will revamp medicine.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<LEnglish5@...> wrote :
You
know as much as I do: they built this massive 5-star
facility that was The Raj on steroids, and invited
terminal
patients from all over the world to come and get
cured.
They
died. Virtually all of them died.
Not
surprising since only the absolute, most hopeless cases
were
supposed to come in the first place as their last hope.
It
was meant to show the utter superiority of Maharishi
Ayurveda Done Rightâ„¢ to the World. And...
They
died. Virtually all of them died.
End
of story.
Maharishi
told the Movement to just "walk away" from such
a
place of death and they did.
The
place is now just ruins.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...> wrote :
I
have never heard this story of the failure of TM ayurveda
-
got any details?
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On Sat, 4/26/14,
LEnglish5@... <LEnglish5@...>
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji
is
to be praised
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 26, 2014, 5:15 PM
I don't speak any Indian language, but none of
the English reports I have seen (including the links
below)
say that Girish has that kind of wealth, only that he is
part of a 12-member committee that has control of that
wealth (12,000 acres).
And of course, if you actually look
at the figures, the estimates of how much the land is
worth
is obviously exaggerated: the largest single item is the
old
Maharishi Ayurveda complex which now lies in utter
disrepair.
In its
hey-day, it was meant to be The Raj on a grand scale: a
complex of hospitals and hostels with 3200 5-star hotel
rooms meant to provide an absolutely nourishing
environment
for those unfortunate people who were deemed
"terminal" by Western medicine but could be
saved
due to the miraculous superiority of Ayurvedic
treatments.
When the
masses of terminally ill patients did what Western
treatment
said would happened, and died by the thousands, Maharishi
told the TM movement to "walk away" from the
halls
of death (or words to that effect) and the complex fell
into
complete ruin.
It
ain't worth $1.5 billion and there's no way it
will
ever be because it wasn't built as a 5-star *resort*
but
as a 5-star *hospital* and there's no way 3200
tourists
at-a-time are going to want to pay 5-star prices to say
in
that particular region for any length of time. Without
the
promised miracle cures of Ayurveda, it is a completely
worthless venture.
L