Times like this I would like to be able to just slug them without suffering the consequences. Maybe they should get their ears washed out and their minds opened up.
---- Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Totally irate. It was just so clear that they weren't prepared to look at > Winstrol in a new light - even with me holding a stack of serial weekly lab > results in my hand. > > Amani > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: November-04-17 7:43 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - > help > > Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in > the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander > down.........ardy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - > help > > Hi Ken > > I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical > evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which > gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) > and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, > there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies > looking into the effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between > (though I have found a few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained > to me that once a drug is off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies > can make very little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set > up clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are still > covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of those other drugs. > > The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots > of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect > on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which > in turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from > the activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very > mild side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also > found to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak > about steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and > safest of the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use > them at hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they > "stack" them will all sorts of other steroids). > > I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their > own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they > will often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. > As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke > with that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best > to put him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results > weekly which showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to > normal results, at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well > maybe it was never FeLV in the first place". > > I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had > good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having > little or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I > have mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in > combination with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on > in circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat > problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a > 16 year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe > facial swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was > a cat who came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV > rampaging through it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY > ill with a sky-high fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she > survived when I thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me > now); I have used it to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his > cruciate ligament; and am I currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion > in Pippin - a three-year old who gets flair-ups of neurological problems > which I tracked to a spinal lesion, and when the lesion causes swelling, > etc., the symptoms reappear. The combination of prednisone and Winstrol > appears to be the only thing that reverses the effects of the lesion. > > I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to > it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've > heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so > I am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that > FeLV is now thought to be caused by at least four or five different types or > strains of virus, and I believe that this is the reason that some people get > amazing results and some people see nothing. > > Hopefully, Marlene will get a good response, and it is very heartening to > hear that in Italy, the drug is commonly used to treat FeLV cats. It was > commonly used in North America as well, in the '80's and '90's, until the > stupid doping scandals (especially Ben Johnson's Olympic gold medal being > stripped) shone an ugly spotlight on it. > > Amani > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > kresch...@mchsi.com > Sent: November-02-17 10:19 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - > help > > Good Morningh all-- > I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding > Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic > Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he > perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count > bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you > at that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats > that may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began > with Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links > and email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start > her research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in > our area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present > the information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest > and hope. > Ken > > > ---- marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I > > found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome > > myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. > > What is better, pills or injections? > > I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic > > for the liver compared to the injectable one . > > I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon > > just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one. > > > > Thanks all for your support. > > Best > > M&M > > > > Inviato da iPhone > > > > > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson > > > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto: > > > > > > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based > > > on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite > > > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd > > > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food > > > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't > > > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and > > > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't > > > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make > > > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of > > > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I > > > gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is > > > just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a > > > grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our > > > kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is > > > also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene > > > because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from > > > replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!! > > > > > > Ardy > > > > > > ---- marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Dear All, > > >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or > > >> a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a > > >> conclusive result). > > >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to > > >> have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is > > >> worth while. > > >> > > >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have > > >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat? > > >> > > >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in > > >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to > > >> go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats > > >> had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + > > >> and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt > > >> about using doxycycline. > > >> > > >> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be > > >> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today > > >> he is not eating ... > > >> > > >> Thanks for your help > > >> Marlène > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
