Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for the ideas on treating Diarrhea... A few I recall 
reading about when I first got Jerry but several are brand new....   
Bentonite and Pectin are seemingly benign enough and easily enough 
obtainable to add to his regimen....   Roundworm Larval stages are 
CERTAINLY not something I would have stumbled upon without Amani’s 
suggestion and worth serious consideration given that he does have poor 
hair growth and was vomiting some weeks ago ( it has abated in recent 
weeks) Problem is, as well, that  the shelter has limited funds and does 
not “really” want to invest too much in a 15 y r old cat that isn’t that 
ill( yet)... and , for whom, so many things can be attributed to “ old 
age” ( as though somehow old age is itself a disease and treatment 
serves no real purpose).... No creature dies  of OLD age...systems break 
down and need repair or bolstering.......just a LOT more frequently than 
in most young creatures...... so, as I’ve done in the past.. I will 
likely embark on some sane interventions on my own and see where they 
lead.... I’ve got a lot of ideas now...
-bob

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:35:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
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I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 
WITH LEUKEMIA.  TREATMENTS  DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 
YEAR LATER.  NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED.  THE FELV CATS DIED OF 
OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE 
REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER.  I 
CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH MY CATS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other 
species including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.
~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~~@~~~~
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me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
wrote:
Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not 
allowed to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with 
me 2 years and my nephew
 moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with 
each other.  Thanks for any information.   From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :).  I will 
try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :). A friend had a 
kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was 
an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few
 months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also 
off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than 
other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not 
eating food additives and special foods that are supposed
 to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do ____, 
but this is Becca so will attempt____.



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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:37:52 -0500
From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thank you!

On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:

No ? it depends on the parasite load.



Amani



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Behalf
Of *Pam Doore
*Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...



Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?


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me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **?** St. Patrick*



On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I 
should
have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, 
which
move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into 
the
lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into 
the
lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature 
roundworms
in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use 
the
Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in 
their
various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature 
phase,
so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than 
a
year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning 
up the
vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure 
out
how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she 
was
just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She 
was
strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I 
could
figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and 
finally
understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. 
Her
sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with 
Revolution and
saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. 
However,
unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
first
place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. 
Anyway,
the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick 
while
nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and 
again, I
couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed 
to any
new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking 
cough
and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would 
help, and
no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's 
vomit,
and did a bit of research.

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and 
see if
that leads to any improvement.

Amani

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Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? 
runs?....
 I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account 
that my
boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx..... I?m 
reintroducing
it..now.. but VERY slowly.... After a couple of weeks if I can?t get 
him to
a full dose it?s time to change course.... He?s 15 years old and he 
can?t
afford to lose weight or get dehydrated....  He?s a foster who was ?
supposed? to be back with his owner well before now....but.... it 
looks to
me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement....


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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*Hi Bob and all,  *


*I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions
about not seeing posts.*


*I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a
month
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a
6+-year-old
boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the
southern
tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took
home a
FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have 
a
home
and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, 
and
giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my
Master
suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his
Sunny
and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone 
decided
to
unsubscribe....

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
months
???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
FELV+
for a
few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting,
mercifully, so
far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest 
of
the
bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their
exposure....
Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this
cutie....
unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy
in
isolation here at our shelter..... He needs company....

Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
pretty
well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease 
on
life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER.... Jerry is
still
suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to
control
it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so 
far.....

Bob in Warwick NY



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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest,
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Hi Bob,

If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an
extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. 
They
used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think 
they
used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small 
amount
of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then 
get
him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who 
had
life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.

I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something
like a parasite causing it? Not sure....just trying to help ?


Ardy



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1


Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided
to unsubscribe....


Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few
months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received 
any
FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon 
retesting,
mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the 
youngest
and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when 
they
had their exposure....  Think we might already have a place that 
will
give a home to this cutie.... unfortunately not a family... but 
better
than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter..... He
needs company....


Hope all is well with your Kitties.... my two old guys are doing
pretty well..... Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new
lease on life..... He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER....
Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still 
looking
for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions 
have
failed so far.....


Bob in Warwick NY



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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)

From: ROBERT CHAPEL To:   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

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I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've

gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of

messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.

Has there been other information going back and forth for the past

couple of weeks??





HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our

experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
near

as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential

adopters...

Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes 
don't

even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the

beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years 
and

have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
FIV's

( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any

others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents 
died)...

but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?

Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an

FIV over an FeLV Kitty

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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000

From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
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Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for

afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary

arsenal to combat it.



Amani









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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +0000

From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:

[Felvtalk] FIV

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Hi Bob



I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I

posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I 
haven't

received any emails in weeks.



Amani



-----Original Message-----

From: Felvtalk [  mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
Behalf

Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM

To:   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV



I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group....? I've

gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of

messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.

Has there been other information going back and forth for the past

couple of weeks??





HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our

experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where
near

as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential

adopters...

Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes 
don't

even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the

beginning of Winter.... I've been volunteering there for 4 years 
and

have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of
FIV's

( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any

others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents 
died)...

but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy....?

Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an

FIV over an FeLV Kitty

QUESTION:







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Message: 1

Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +0000

From: Amani Oakley To: "  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
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[Felvtalk] Question

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Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for

afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary

arsenal to combat it.



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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:33:47 -0500

From: Lorrie To:   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

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I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.

I hope this means all our cats are doing well.



BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.



I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the
average

person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.





Lorrie



On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hi Bob



I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I

posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
haven't

received any emails in weeks.



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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 8:41:54 -0600

From: To:   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, 
felineres...@frontier.com

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

Message-ID: <  20171227094154.PXG7R.4017.root@pamxwww01-z01>

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tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY
AND

WINDY.  HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE

DOOR, THE WIND HITS HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON

BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO CHASE.



---- Lorrie  wrote:



I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.

I hope this means all our cats are doing well.



BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.



I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the

average person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of

FIV.





Lorrie



On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hi Bob



I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I

posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I

haven't received any emails in weeks.



Amani



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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:04:15 -0600

From: Jennifer Olson To:   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: [Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes

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December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our

lives.

He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common 
after

being neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so 
each

of us "bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... 
of

course I'M the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & 
cuddling!

Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength
enriches

the lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!

Jen

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please

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Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November
2017.



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Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages...... Hopefully this

means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this 
time.



Lorrie



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Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November

2017.



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