Dear FIS Colleagues, Since April 2017, the FIS forum has been silent for as long as 5 months. September 15, Pedro has raised 10 Principles of Information Science with his amazing insight. As we all know, since the December 1997, FIS forum has run nearly 20 years, colleagues gathered here mainly focused on two topics:1) The analysis of different information problems that they apply the concept of information; 2) Definition of information; But this time, Pedro opened a third FIS topic: Principle of Information Science. Undoubtedly, it is the highest goal of FIS colleagues and all information scientists in the world.
However, after the presentation of the 10 principles, the discussion has not been developed in accordance with the expectations of all FIS colleagues, including Pedro. After about 6 or so direct reviews about the 10 principles, the discussions quickly shifted to the topic of eternal controversial on FIS: The definition of information. And then the discussion start moving to Data, Meaning, Message, Reflection, Agent and so on, it is a stunned. Are the 10 principles wrong? Why has the definition of information been put on the table again? Looking back, at least one year ago, at the FIS forum, Bateson's "Information is a difference that makes a difference" still occupies the stage of information definition with an overwhelming majority of leading roles. The 10 principles put forward by Pedro are undoubtedly meaningful, but why do it secretly change the topic into information definition again?. 1. Pedro's 10 Principles of Information Science Referring to Pedro's view (Sept. 20), we can divide the 10 principle into the following 3 groups: 1~3: The Universal Principle which is suitable for all types of information; 4~5: The Local Principle which is only suitable for the type of organic information; 6~10: The Local Principle which is only suitable for the type of human information. From a macro point of view, these 10 principles are related to Pedro's personal professional research — Biological Information — of his lifelong field of study, and information flow and knowledge recombination is his favorite topic in recent years. As for human information, this is a subject that I am most interested in and I am glad that he can put forward 4 principles from his view. The first principle is the exact expression of Wiener's 1948 statement (Wiener, 1948), and it is now well known among scientists all over the world. The other 9 principles come from Pedro himself. Unfortunately, in the discussions during these period, in addition to about 6 colleagues commented on these principles directly, almost no else commented. Obviously, there must be some problems. My view is that the problem lies mainly in the universal nature of the principle. It consists of two aspects: 1) Scope. Since it is called principle of information science, all principles under it should generally be applied to all information types and disciplines rather than to some kind of them. If they are expressed as "X principles of Biological Informatics", or "X principles of Human Informatics", they may be more precise; 2) Correctness. Verification for each principle requires time, this can be observed in the future discussion, we don't have to worry. I believe that these principles will eventually inspire the vitality they deserve. 2. Definition of Information Looking back over the past 20 years of FIS discussion, almost every other time, someone must put forward the definition debate on information, and then produced new definition. Whether your topic is to talk about any other type of information, at the end, someone may intentionally or unintentionally turn the topic to the definition of information. It reminds me of some of my own research experiences. When I proposed that we should pay attention to information science research in 1987 to a vice-president of Peking University (A famous Linguist), he immediately questioned me: "Is information science not the study of information definition?" Till November 2015, at the presidential meeting of Peking University, when I gave the account on the establishment of China Chapter of IS4SI, the current president just only asked me one question: what is your definition of information now? Decades later, we can see that this problem has not changed, and this is what we have to introspect. FIS forum, including information scientists from other places, should not always discussed in such a simple and unrestricted way to define the definition of information. I recall Marcin said at our FIS 10 years ago: When somebody gives me logically correct definition of some concept I cannot say "It is wrong" but only that "I am not interested in this concept or that", "I do not believe this definition can be applied to what we agreed is denotation of the concept." The general concept of information requires for its foundations an appropriate rich philosophical tradition with its developed conceptual framework. "(Sep.2, 2005)." And in last month, Emanuel commented ironically, "All FISers pretend to be Einstein" (Oct. 9). My view is that it is not the best time to discuss the definition of information now. It contains 3 factors: 1). When we do not understand the meaning of information in some major applications, we will have not a thorough understanding of information, so it is very difficult to grasp the essence of the concept of all kinds of information for us; 2). The connotation of information has been shrinking, but the denotation has been expanding; 3). Physicists to study "It from Bit" or "It from Qubit" is on the rise now, and its final interpretation of the concept may be completely subvert our old information view. Looking at the grand conference for "It from Qubit" which was hold in Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics of Canada in July 2016, and the similar study plus the relationship between information and Dao in Massachusetts Institute of Technology by so many excellent physicists, it still is profound for our FIS peers. Many new information definitions that perennially have been given by FIS colleagues, in fact, most of them have been presented many times before by different researchers in detail in their works, such as Mark Burgin, 2010; Robert Logan, 2014; Xueshan Yan, 2016 etc. If possible, I hope we don't spend so much time doing these repetitive work without knowing enough about the existing works. For example, a few days ago, Arturo said in his post: "To talk about information is meaningless", "I will never use anymore in my papers the useless term information." (Oct. 4). In fact, in 1973, Fairthorn once proposed that: “We should completely exclude the term information from the scientific lexicon and to abandon the term from the dictionary.” (Mark, 2010). 3. Next Step’s Discussion In the FIS forum, no matter how many the comments about the principle are given, how controversial about the definition is, they lack a scientific base: verification analysis. Verification is the sole criterion for testing truth. Where we play the verification analysis? in different professional fields which they apply the information concept. Once the principles and concept been put into the specific fields of application of information concept, the conclusion will be very convincing. In the hottest years of the FIS forum in 1997~2002 years, we have analyzed almost all of the applications of information concept. If we want our FIS to continue to attract more researchers to pay attention, we should continue to carry forward the previous tradition, but should go deeper than it in the past. Today, the general public and the scientific community have put forward numerous types of information, such as physical information, chemical information, biological information, social information, economic information, ecological information, etc............. And many information research disciplines have been produced at last. According to my statistics, these disciplines have reached more than 210. Such as Chemical Informatics, Decision Informatics, Financial Informatics, Algebraic Informatics, etc........... However, if we verify the principles of information science or definition of information according to these vast fields, the task obviously is too onerous. But an effective way is: we classify these disciplines first, only sum up them into several basic disciplines to complete the relevant work. I think it is appropriate to classify them according to the species hierarchy of nature. In this respect, Stanley proposed a good suggestion, e.g. {physics {chemistry {biology {sociology}}}} (Sept. 20). According to this idea, all the more than 210 informational disciplines can be divided into 4 ~ 5 basic information subjects, they are: Physical Informatics, Chemical Informatics, Biological Informatics, Human Informatics (Social Informatics), as for the Technological Informatics, is it a fundamental informatics? I think that the Humberto Maturana and Francisco Varela’s autopoiesis theory can give a good answer. The technical information system does not produce information itself, what is processed or transmitted only is human information (or other types of information). Undoubtedly, it is much harder to do this kind of research than it did before. For example, if someone wants to put forward some universal statements about information, he needs to have a comprehensive observation at least 4~5 basic information disciplines. In the past, even if one person know little application field about information, he/she can shut the door to his room in patted his head and then give a definition of information, or start pointing fingers toward other’s definition of information. If we can sum up 4~5 basic information disciplines, so it can not only simple and convincing to the verification of Pedro’s principles of information science, at the same time, that anyone can easily give a definition of information era may be gone forever. Best regards, Xueshan Peking University, China P.S. For the convenience of reading, I put all these discussions (except for others, such as Francesco Rizzo's Spanish posts) into one file, and interested friends can download it directly. https://pan.baidu.com/s/1o7LKxuy
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