Neil's post reminded me of my previous life in the aerospace business. Every program had a Critical Design Review (CDR) where you and the customer would go over every aspect of the design in excruciating detail. This could go on for days. But, when the customer started discussing the feel of the keys (we built military teleprinters) and the color of the lights, you knew you were over the hump.
Neil, you're right, some folks must be bored to tears. If I weren't up to my ears in DI, I'd probably be bored too. BobT, K5KDN -----Original Message----- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of fcain Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:48 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] What's going on Folks? Importance: High Folks, What is going on with all of the yapping about "looks"? Didn't we buy into the family of Flex rigs to help us get on the air with the most innovative gear in the industry? I would hope these "exterior look discussions" give way to more discussions and varied tips on how to set up the rigs to get the most functionality out of them for DXing and contesting. 73, Fred VE3JMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <flexradio-requ...@flex-radio.biz> To: <flexradio@flex-radio.biz> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: FlexRadio Digest, Vol 55, Issue 29 > Send FlexRadio mailing list submissions to > flexradio@flex-radio.biz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > flexradio-requ...@flex-radio.biz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > flexradio-ow...@flex-radio.biz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FlexRadio digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is Betty Pretty or Not? (k5nwa) > 2. Re: Is Betty Pretty or Not? (Brian Lloyd) > 3. Re: Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it is (George Steube) > 4. Re: Is Betty Pretty or Not? (MILLER, Tom) > 5. Re: Is Betty Pretty or Not? (knesbitt) > 6. Re: Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it is (Tim Ellison) > 7. Re: Is Betty Pretty or Not? (K9DUR) > 8. Re: (no subject) (AB2CD) > 9. Re: Is Betty Pretty or Not? (Alan NV8A) > 10. Water-cooled computers... (John Ragle) > 11. Re: Water-cooled computers... (Neal Campbell) > 12. Re: Water-cooled computers... (Robert Jefferis) > 13. Re: PB and the original Gui (Jim Dunstan) > 14. Re: PB and the original Gui (Edwin Marzan) > 15. Re: Water-cooled computers... (Jim Jerzycke) > 16. memory upgrade ? (Ed Stallman) > 17. sdr-1000 does work with win7-64 (Paul Shaffer) > 18. Re: memory upgrade ? (k...@live.com) > 19. Re: memory upgrade ? (Ed Stallman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:22:18 -0600 > From: k5nwa <k5...@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > To: "Lee Mushel" <herbe...@centurytel.net> > Cc: flexe...@flex-radio.biz, 'FlexRadio' <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <341541.44727...@smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 10:01 AM 11/28/2009, Lee Mushel wrote: >>Jim, >> >>You always have to remember what poor Gerald has to contend with >>when topics related to the "left or right" brained aspect of our >>desires arise. Let me give you an example: some time ago my >>insurance agent was visiting our home and he looked at an original >>watercolor we had purchased for about the cost of three >>Flex5000A's. He told me that I had been seriously taken advantage >>of! With great difficulty I had to keep a "straight face." And we >>won't get into the subject of the grand piano! Still, I know that >>at least half of the people I see on the street would never purchase >>things like that even if the cost was not a consideration. While >>it may be difficult for many Flexers to accept, the appearance of >>something is a very important consideration when thinking about >>"pride of ownership." How many of the automobile ads you see on TV >>even mention details of performance? But they do mention >>"style." You really can't argue one position or the other. It's >>very much like prefering Coke or Pepsi! >> >>73 > > I prefer Dr Pepper, choice is a good thing. > > As has been mentioned before the "old" software took a lot of extra > PC power but that is being remedied. Another issue to consider is > many men are partially color blind, I'm not but I can understand > that having the ability to change the colors, a person could adjust > them to make the display easily seen to them. > > The last example that Beppe showed as his favorite is very easy on > the eyes for me, but the change I would like is to make would be to > make the controls more symmetrical, common controls in the center, > the respective individual controls for the receivers on the right and > left. The two receiver meters close to each other at the top. > > We are all a little different. > > > Cecil > k5nwa > www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com > < http://parts.softrockradio.org/ > > > Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:26:03 -0800 > From: Brian Lloyd <brian-wb6...@lloyd.com> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > To: Lee Mushel <herbe...@centurytel.net> > Cc: flexe...@flex-radio.biz, FlexRadio <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: > <e93450130911280926l14d7d703r526bcf4937efd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Lee Mushel <herbe...@centurytel.net> > wrote: >> While it may be difficult for many >> Flexers to accept, the appearance of something is a very important >> consideration when thinking about "pride of ownership." ? How many of the >> automobile ads you see on TV even mention details of performance? ? But >> they >> do mention "style." > > Yeah, you are so right. There is a story that goes with this and it > has nothing to do with radio. > > I have a 1999 Mazda Miata. My father and son gave it to me this past > summer so I would have my very own toy to play with when we go to the > track. It is in generally good shape but has a few wrinkles in the > doors and there is a rip in the top that is patched with duct tape. > But it has *all* new suspension components. I replaced all bearings, > bushings, ball joints, new dual-rate springs, competition shocks > (dampers for those of you who speak English), rotors, competition > pads, stainless brake lines, adjustable brake proportioning valve, > wheels, and R-compound tires (tyres). (Yeah, all this is a preface to > the point.) > > A few months back my son and I went to a Porsche Club autocross. He > had his almost-acceptable BMW M3 Coupe and I had my cheap, ugly Miata. > He and I traded cars during the day as he had not had a chance to > drive mine after all the work I had done. I was in sequence a few cars > after him (in his Beemer) waiting for my run on the course and > chatting with the guy doing the staging. Seems he has a $100,000 > Carrera S of which he was very pround. I was commenting on how I would > like a little more power in my Miata at which point he launched into a > pitch as to why I really should purchase a Porsche like his. About > that time they announced my son's time on the course. It was one of > the fastest of the day and a good two seconds faster than this > gentleman's time. He had stopped talking to listen to the announcer > give the time. At that point I quipped, "Gee, I don't know. It appears > that my car is already faster than yours." > > Clearly we seek different things. > >> You really can't argue one position or the other. It's >> very much like prefering Coke or Pepsi! > > They taste different. > > -- > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL > > P.S. I don't really care what it looks like as long as it works > *really* well. Oh, and I am not blinded by the power indicator. YMMV. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:04:03 -0600 > From: "George Steube" <a...@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it > is > To: "Tim Ellison" <telli...@itsco.com>, <flexradio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <oaeflimkhdilakgoalamkemadnaa.a...@bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Tim, > Well said. Ok now you have my interest!! When is the expected release of > PowerSDR 2.0. By the way thanks to you and the rest of the Flex Team for > their great work. > George > W2GS > > -----Original Message----- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of Tim Ellison > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:17 AM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: [Flexradio] Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it is > > > There has been a lot of "opinionating" on the upcoming version of PowerSDR > 2.0 that has the feature of being able to graphically represent the fixed > control surfaces of the console. Whether or not you like the "artist" > rendition of the console "skins" or not seems to be a popular topic with > equal and passionate feelings on both side of the debate but in reality, > changing the look and feel of PowerSDR v2.0.0 to anything other than what > it > is currently, and debating it further is a moot point. > > The reason it is moot is twofold. First, FlexRadio has already decided > that > PowerSDR should have the ability to define the fixed control surfaces > graphically and that there would be a new look to PowerSDR. That business > decision is not going to be undone since it was made almost a year ago and > significant development resource went into the program logic to do so, so > it > is not a negotiable point. > > Second, in their infinite wisdom, FlexRadio Systems engineered this > capability with enough ease and flexibility to be able to create your own > presentation of the console. Even a user with a rudimentary knowledge of > using a graphics editor (and I resemble that remark) can make what ever > skin > they like. If you don't like some aspect of the skin, change it > yourself - > it is easy to do. There are more important and *much* better uses of > developer's time than making the new PowerSDR look like the old one. It > is > easy to deduce that a representation of the old console is not going to > come > out of FlexRadio for PowerSDR v2.x.x, so if you want to retrograde back to > the past, then it will have to be up to some enterprising ham to create a > "Clinical Betty" skin that looks like the old console. I also suspect > there > will be some enterprising forward thinking hams out there that will create > some new really cool looking presentations for the PowerSDR console. I am > really looking forward to using those. > > While it is not widespread, complaining about how the representations > look, > belittling the graphic's designers work and being overly critical without > providing constructive criticism is not beneficial to the evolutionary > process or the on going improvement of PowerSDR and does not serve the > betterment of SDR software in general. There is conservatively a few > hundred thousand man-hours of software development that have been put into > PowerSDR over its lifetime, for which everyone gets for free. Show the > developers some respect in this regard - they have earned it several times > over. You really do not want to piss off the people who have contributed > to > PowerSDR without compensation, so as they say, "Don't look a gift horse in > the mouth". Be thankful at this time of thanksgiving. You should be > showing your appreciation positively to Eric and the rest of the team who > have made SDRs possible for us all. Thank you Eric, Bob, BobT, Frank, > Beppe, Matt, Ed and the others who I have forgotten to name. > > The other debate seems to be over CPU utilization. Yes, it does take > additional resource to load a more graphically rich application like > PowerSDR v2.0.0 vs. PowerSDR 1.x. If your PC is "long in the tooth" the > additional resource load might not be negligible. On my Core2 machine it > is > negligible. Even those who want the "original skin" back, it is still > going > to take the same amount of computer resources as any of the other skins so > reverting back to the older look will make no difference. That is the > price > of progress. If it doesn't work with your PC to your liking, then stick > with the v1.18.3 version or upgrade your PC. It is what it is. > > Also, this thread has probably run its course and technically it belonged > on > the FlexEdge reflector because PowerSDR v2.0.0 is still alpha software, so > lets get back and focus on topics that are more appropriate for this > reflector. > > I hope everyone in the US is enjoying their holiday weekend. I am off to > make another turkey sandwich :-) > > -Tim > ----- > W4TME > > > _______________________________________________ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to a...@bellsouth.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:05:29 -0600 > From: "MILLER, Tom" <tmil...@swbno.org> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > To: <k5...@sbcglobal.net>, <herbe...@centurytel.net> > Cc: flexe...@flex-radio.biz, FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > Message-ID: <9d3b19ab6ff92a45adb403f37f6d48861b7...@babel.swbno.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I would like the ability to move each control to any place on the screen. > To be able to modify the placement of controls/displays for the type of > operation I am doing at the moment would be very helpful. > For example if I am testing antennas to have both s meters next to each > other would great so I would not get eye strain trying to read the meters > at the same time. > Space inbetween the two panadaptors with the band box for both displays so > I can change bands on the 2nd receiver easier. > And the other missing function is having some memories with out having to > use another program. > I like coke better than pepsi and dr pepper is in a different class > altogether. > Tom AC5TM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz <flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz> > To: Lee Mushel <herbe...@centurytel.net> > Cc: flexe...@flex-radio.biz <flexe...@flex-radio.biz>; 'FlexRadio' > <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Sent: Sat Nov 28 11:22:18 2009 > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > > At 10:01 AM 11/28/2009, Lee Mushel wrote: >>Jim, >> >>You always have to remember what poor Gerald has to contend with >>when topics related to the "left or right" brained aspect of our >>desires arise. Let me give you an example: some time ago my >>insurance agent was visiting our home and he looked at an original >>watercolor we had purchased for about the cost of three >>Flex5000A's. He told me that I had been seriously taken advantage >>of! With great difficulty I had to keep a "straight face." And we >>won't get into the subject of the grand piano! Still, I know that >>at least half of the people I see on the street would never purchase >>things like that even if the cost was not a consideration. While >>it may be difficult for many Flexers to accept, the appearance of >>something is a very important consideration when thinking about >>"pride of ownership." How many of the automobile ads you see on TV >>even mention details of performance? But they do mention >>"style." You really can't argue one position or the other. It's >>very much like prefering Coke or Pepsi! >> >>73 > > I prefer Dr Pepper, choice is a good thing. > > As has been mentioned before the "old" software took a lot of extra > PC power but that is being remedied. Another issue to consider is > many men are partially color blind, I'm not but I can understand > that having the ability to change the colors, a person could adjust > them to make the display easily seen to them. > > The last example that Beppe showed as his favorite is very easy on > the eyes for me, but the change I would like is to make would be to > make the controls more symmetrical, common controls in the center, > the respective individual controls for the receivers on the right and > left. The two receiver meters close to each other at the top. > > We are all a little different. > > > Cecil > k5nwa > www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com > < http://parts.softrockradio.org/ > > > Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway. > > > _______________________________________________ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to tmil...@swbno.org > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:05:56 -0700 > From: knesbitt <k.nesb...@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Message-ID: <4b116684.7020...@shaw.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > ..and that was simply my question as well. If you'd been around in the > 1.16.x days and the migration of the code base from the SDR-1000 to the > 5000A you might understand where I'm coming from. C.W. in many respects > ceased to operate in any real sense. Allot of people both internally and > 3rd party contributors eventually massaged 1.1.8 into something that > actually worked and continues to work rather well as a serious > c.w.platform. Many ops currently are able to achieve this level of [c.w.] > performance utilizing PC configurations optimized for ultra-low latency > (tight buffers etc.) successfully running on modest machines without any > detrimental effects such as Jim alludes to below. The notion of having to > run this software on some quad-core water-cooled super computer simply to > satisfy the requirements of a new GUI, while being able to retain close to > the level of operating performance as obtained under 1.18.3, seems > completely ludicrous to me. I'll shut up now as I'm sure Tim will not be > happy with this continued discussion re this subject. > > Kirb - VE6IV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" <pywac...@fuse.net> > To: "'FlexRadio'" <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Cc: <flexe...@flex-radio.biz> > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > > > >> > Well, I guess I will give my opinion. The Pretty Betty is fine as long >> > as >> > the basic skin used in 1.18.3 is included as one of the options along >> > with >> > the PB skins. >> > >> > The only dislike of the Pretty Betty are the few skins that have the >> > shadows >> > but you don't have to use one of those skins since you have a good >> > selection >> > to choose. >> > >> > I use a quad machine here and don't see a lot of difference in the CPU% >> > Usage between 1.18.3 skin and the PB-PAL with the Pretty Betty Skins >> > Using a 5000A. >> > >> > Now the Flex with the ITX motherboard at 1.6 dual core I did see a very >> > noticeable CPU usage % difference between using 1.18.3 with the >> > traditional >> > skin and the PB-PAL Pretty Betty Skins. Also with the Quad machine I >> > can >> > run >> > any sample rate or buffer combo without any choppiness of audio where I >> > detected some, repeat some minor & that was only minor in the slower C >> > under >> > some sample/buffer combo's making me wonder how it might perform using >> > possible more CPU intensive future versions. >> > >> > Again I think the Pretty Betty Skins are fine but also have the basic >> > skin >> > as one of the options. Since the basic should use a less % of CPU it >> > would >> > be good to have for those with slower machines. >> > >> > 73 de KE4WY Jim > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:14:24 -0500 > From: Tim Ellison <telli...@itsco.com> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it > is > To: George Steube <a...@bellsouth.net>, "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" > <flexradio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: > <d5aa272b5a4710459bae81fcae3f52ab01e348e09...@fivehole.itsco.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > To partially quote an old marketing campaign from Paul Masson, "We'll > serve no software before its time". > > I can assure you if it was ready today, Eric would package it up and ship > it out. He more than anyone else wants to get PowerSDR v2.0.0 into the > public domain as soon as possible. > > Unfortunately, it is still in an alpha state. Several major bugs were > recently squashed, but there are more that need eradication before it can > be released. So, as soon as those are taken care of, it will transition > from alpha to beta (when it gets placed in the SVN TEST folder) for final > testing. > > If I was to guess, I would hope it will make a nice present for the > upcoming December holiday season. > > > -Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Steube [mailto:a...@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 1:04 PM > To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it is > > Tim, > Well said. Ok now you have my interest!! When is the expected release of > PowerSDR 2.0. By the way thanks to you and the rest of the Flex Team for > their great work. > George > W2GS > > -----Original Message----- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of Tim Ellison > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:17 AM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: [Flexradio] Pretty Betty: truth, fiction and the way it is > > > There has been a lot of "opinionating" on the upcoming version of PowerSDR > 2.0 that has the feature of being able to graphically represent the fixed > control surfaces of the console. Whether or not you like the "artist" > rendition of the console "skins" or not seems to be a popular topic with > equal and passionate feelings on both side of the debate but in reality, > changing the look and feel of PowerSDR v2.0.0 to anything other than what > it is currently, and debating it further is a moot point. > > The reason it is moot is twofold. First, FlexRadio has already decided > that PowerSDR should have the ability to define the fixed control surfaces > graphically and that there would be a new look to PowerSDR. That business > decision is not going to be undone since it was made almost a year ago and > significant development resource went into the program logic to do so, so > it is not a negotiable point. > > Second, in their infinite wisdom, FlexRadio Systems engineered this > capability with enough ease and flexibility to be able to create your own > presentation of the console. Even a user with a rudimentary knowledge of > using a graphics editor (and I resemble that remark) can make what ever > skin they like. If you don't like some aspect of the skin, change it > yourself - it is easy to do. There are more important and *much* better > uses of developer's time than making the new PowerSDR look like the old > one. It is easy to deduce that a representation of the old console is not > going to come out of FlexRadio for PowerSDR v2.x.x, so if you want to > retrograde back to the past, then it will have to be up to some > enterprising ham to create a "Clinical Betty" skin that looks like the old > console. I also suspect there will be some enterprising forward thinking > hams out there that will create some new really cool looking presentations > for the PowerSDR console. I am really looking forward to using those. > > While it is not widespread, complaining about how the representations > look, belittling the graphic's designers work and being overly critical > without providing constructive criticism is not beneficial to the > evolutionary process or the on going improvement of PowerSDR and does not > serve the betterment of SDR software in general. There is conservatively > a few hundred thousand man-hours of software development that have been > put into PowerSDR over its lifetime, for which everyone gets for free. > Show the developers some respect in this regard - they have earned it > several times over. You really do not want to piss off the people who > have contributed to PowerSDR without compensation, so as they say, "Don't > look a gift horse in the mouth". Be thankful at this time of > thanksgiving. You should be showing your appreciation positively to Eric > and the rest of the team who have made SDRs possible for us all. Thank > you Eric, Bob, BobT, Frank, Beppe, Matt, Ed and the others who I have > forgotten to name. > > The other debate seems to be over CPU utilization. Yes, it does take > additional resource to load a more graphically rich application like > PowerSDR v2.0.0 vs. PowerSDR 1.x. If your PC is "long in the tooth" the > additional resource load might not be negligible. On my Core2 machine it > is negligible. Even those who want the "original skin" back, it is still > going to take the same amount of computer resources as any of the other > skins so reverting back to the older look will make no difference. That > is the price of progress. If it doesn't work with your PC to your liking, > then stick with the v1.18.3 version or upgrade your PC. It is what it is. > > Also, this thread has probably run its course and technically it belonged > on the FlexEdge reflector because PowerSDR v2.0.0 is still alpha software, > so lets get back and focus on topics that are more appropriate for this > reflector. > > I hope everyone in the US is enjoying their holiday weekend. I am off to > make another turkey sandwich :-) > > -Tim > ----- > W4TME > > > _______________________________________________ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to a...@bellsouth.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:26:57 -0500 > From: "K9DUR" <k9...@rnacs.com> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > To: <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <000301ca7058$5f050d40$1d0f27...@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All, > > As Tim has previously stated, ALL of this discussion about Pretty Betty & > PowerSDR v2.x BELONGS ON THE FLEXEDGE REFLECTOR, NOT ON THIS REFLECTOR. > > PLEASE move this discussion to the FlexEdge reflector & limit posts on > this > reflector to RELEASED versions of the software and OFICCIALLY SUPPORTED > operating systems. > > Can he make it any plainer than this folks? > > 73, Ray, K9DUR > http://k9dur.info > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:41:46 -0500 > From: "AB2CD" <ab...@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] (no subject) > To: <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <002701ca705a$70ce0d40$526a27...@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Tim! > There is no lack of respect for you or any of the Flex team. In fact, I > can > be heard daily singing the praises of this outstanding piece of gear. My > enthusiasm has helped dozens of operators make the decision to move to > Flex. > My QRZ page and eHam review both speak well of the Flex. > > As to being unproductive or lacking good etiquette, I do not agree. I am > disappointed that you chose such words. If it's so easy to change the look > of the new interface to reflect the classic layout, why not just do it? I > think Flex is making a mistake to force its loyal users to essentially > "take > it or leave it" on something as subjective as the appearance of the > control > panel. We look to Flex to provide objective performance and feature > enhancements in their new releases. If someone doesn't share your opinion > that Betty is pretty that's not being a malcontent or non-team player. > Perhaps Flex should have done a survey of its customers before making such > a > big change to the interface? If they had solicited that input, perhaps > this > topic wouldn't be discussed at this later stage of development. I feel > that > most users would have felt that having the classic skin as an option would > be consistent with the Flex part of flexibility. > > The "take it or leave it" attitude you have expressed is, in this > operator's > opinion, unfortunate. > > Jim AB2CD > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim (W4TME) [mailto:t...@flex-radio.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:43 AM > To: AB2CD > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] (no subject) > > Jim, > > While you opinions are welcome, demeaning other people's hard work is > not. Disrespecting those who have put a lot of hard work and time into > creating the graphics that define the PowerSDR console is not a > productive use of the Reflector. There are guidelines for good > reflector etiquette. Please be mindful of the ones who unselfishly give > of themselves for others. > > -Tim > --- > W4TME > FlexRadio Systems - Info Management Admin. > "Tune in Excitement" > > On 11/28/2009 3:45 AM, AB2CD wrote: >> I found the use of the term "clinical" a good description of the control >> panel of Power SDR. This user likes the clean look and prefers it to a >> cheesy attempt to create a 3 dimensional look on a 2 dimensional screen. >> >> >> >> Webster defines "clinical" as: >> >> >> >> extremely objective and realistic; dispassionately analytic; >> unemotionally >> critical >> >> >> >> "cheesy": Slang. inferior or cheap; chintzy, plastic >> >> >> >> "plastic": >> >> >> >> relating to three-dimensional form or space, esp. on a two-dimensional >> surface. >> >> >> >> artificial or insincere; synthetic; phony >> >> >> >> lacking in depth, individuality, or permanence; superficial, dehumanized, > or >> mass-produced >> >> >> >> Perhaps Flex has stumbled unwittingly into yet another radio market. Add > a >> roger beep to all her makeup and PB is ready for 11 meters. >> >> >> >> Jim AB2CD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> Message delivered to t...@flex-radio.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:45:31 -0500 > From: Alan NV8A <n...@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Is Betty Pretty or Not? > To: FlexRadio Reflector <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Cc: k.nesb...@shaw.ca > Message-ID: <4b1199fb.3070...@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I know Tim has said that this discussion does not belong on this > reflector, and I think he is right. Nevertheless, I have to point out > here that the idea that one *needs* a water-cooled quad-core machine is > ridiculous. I'm running Pretty Betty - PAL on a 4-yr-old dual-core > machine (2 x 2GHz cores; 3GB RAM), and it's doing fine. This a.m. I even > had CWSkimmer running alongside it as well, decoding 200+ QSOs. > > But even if you did need a quad-core machine, they're available now for > around $500 -- not water-cooled, however. > > 73 > > Alan NV8A > > > knesbitt wrote: > >> ..and that was simply my question as well. If you'd been around in the >> 1.16.x days and the migration of the code base from the SDR-1000 to the >> 5000A you might understand where I'm coming from. C.W. in many respects >> ceased to operate in any real sense. Allot of people both internally and >> 3rd party contributors eventually massaged 1.1.8 into something that >> actually worked and continues to work rather well as a serious >> c.w.platform. Many ops currently are able to achieve this level of >> [c.w.] performance utilizing PC configurations optimized for ultra-low >> latency (tight buffers etc.) successfully running on modest machines >> without any detrimental effects such as Jim alludes to below. The notion >> of having to run this software on some quad-core water-cooled super >> computer simply to satisfy the requirements of a new GUI, while being >> able to retain close to the level of operating performance as obtained >> under 1.18.3, seems completely ludicrous to me. I'll shut up now as I'm >> sure Tim will not be happy with this continued discussion re this >> subject. > >>> > Well, I guess I will give my opinion. The Pretty Betty is fine as >>> long as >>> > the basic skin used in 1.18.3 is included as one of the options >>> along with >>> > the PB skins. >>> > >>> > The only dislike of the Pretty Betty are the few skins that have the >>> > shadows >>> > but you don't have to use one of those skins since you have a good > >>> selection >>> > to choose. >>> > >>> > I use a quad machine here and don't see a lot of difference in the >>> > CPU% >>> > Usage between 1.18.3 skin and the PB-PAL with the Pretty Betty Skins >>> > Using a 5000A. >>> > >>> > Now the Flex with the ITX motherboard at 1.6 dual core I did see a >>> > very >>> > noticeable CPU usage % difference between using 1.18.3 with the > >>> traditional >>> > skin and the PB-PAL Pretty Betty Skins. Also with the Quad machine I >>> can > run >>> > any sample rate or buffer combo without any choppiness of audio where >>> > I >>> > detected some, repeat some minor & that was only minor in the slower >>> C > under >>> > some sample/buffer combo's making me wonder how it might perform using >>> > possible more CPU intensive future versions. >>> > >>> > Again I think the Pretty Betty Skins are fine but also have the >>> basic skin >>> > as one of the options. Since the basic should use a less % of CPU it >>> would >>> > be good to have for those with slower machines. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:28:31 -0500 > From: John Ragle <tpcj1...@crocker.com> > Subject: [Flexradio] Water-cooled computers... > To: FlexRadio Reflector <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <4b11a40f.1000...@crocker.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I think the problem is that many people do need water-cooled computers: > that is,/* */they should throw their present machine in the lake and > start over. Too many people bought a computer 10 years ago thinking that > it was the last investment they would have to make in that department; > alas, the pace of technological development has been such that their > 10-year old computer might as well be from the last century. > > On the other hand, PwrSDR runs just fine on modern, quite modest > computers, along with a host of other applications. The idea that the > computer is an appendage of the radio is quite topsy-turvy...in fact the > radio is just another computer peripheral, which cohabits very nicely > with whatever other programs one wants to run. As Alan NV8A points out, > you can buy into this game for < $500 at the present. Anxiety over a > lack of computer power seems to be wasted worry, despite all the traffic > on this reflector about "computer-ED." > > I'm with the guy who glued a knob on the front of his FlexRadio for Auld > Lang Syne. It is probably at least as effective as power putty. An F5K > would even take a nice HRO-style knob, the epitome of mid 20th Century > elegance. > > John Ragle -- W1ZI > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:44:56 -0500 > From: Neal Campbell <nealk...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Water-cooled computers... > To: tpcj1...@crocker.com > Cc: FlexRadio Reflector <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: > <325413300911281444s1a4f27c9k68a547a4a0dd2...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This email is in my candidate list for best email of the year! > > Thanks for the smile! > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM, John Ragle <tpcj1...@crocker.com> wrote: > >> I think the problem is that many people do need water-cooled computers: >> that is,/* */they should throw their present machine in the lake and >> start >> over. Too many people bought a computer 10 years ago thinking that it was >> the last investment they would have to make in that department; alas, the >> pace of technological development has been such that their 10-year old >> computer might as well be from the last century. >> >> On the other hand, PwrSDR runs just fine on modern, quite modest >> computers, >> along with a host of other applications. The idea that the computer is an >> appendage of the radio is quite topsy-turvy...in fact the radio is just >> another computer peripheral, which cohabits very nicely with whatever >> other >> programs one wants to run. As Alan NV8A points out, you can buy into this >> game for < $500 at the present. Anxiety over a lack of computer power >> seems >> to be wasted worry, despite all the traffic on this reflector about >> "computer-ED." >> >> I'm with the guy who glued a knob on the front of his FlexRadio for Auld >> Lang Syne. It is probably at least as effective as power putty. An F5K >> would >> even take a nice HRO-style knob, the epitome of mid 20th Century >> elegance. >> >> John Ragle -- W1ZI >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:16:06 -0800 > From: Robert Jefferis <jeffe...@antelecom.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Water-cooled computers... > To: tpcj1...@crocker.com > Cc: FlexRadio Reflector <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <6ab939eb-af76-4906-b856-749f5706b...@antelecom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Spot on! > > The FLEX radios (and all digital radios following this architecture) are > indeed, nothing more then confuser peripherals. So, how do we find out how > the current, supported DSP software works its magic with the digitized low > IF that comes into the computer? > > Bob KF6BC > > On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:28 PM, John Ragle wrote: > >> I think the problem is that many people do need water-cooled computers: >> that is,/* */they should throw their present machine in the lake and >> start over. Too many people bought a computer 10 years ago thinking that >> it was the last investment they would have to make in that department; >> alas, the pace of technological development has been such that their >> 10-year old computer might as well be from the last century. >> >> On the other hand, PwrSDR runs just fine on modern, quite modest >> computers, along with a host of other applications. The idea that the >> computer is an appendage of the radio is quite topsy-turvy...in fact the >> radio is just another computer peripheral, which cohabits very nicely >> with whatever other programs one wants to run. As Alan NV8A points out, >> you can buy into this game for < $500 at the present. Anxiety over a lack >> of computer power seems to be wasted worry, despite all the traffic on >> this reflector about "computer-ED." >> >> I'm with the guy who glued a knob on the front of his FlexRadio for Auld >> Lang Syne. It is probably at least as effective as power putty. An F5K >> would even take a nice HRO-style knob, the epitome of mid 20th Century >> elegance. >> >> John Ragle -- W1ZI >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> Message delivered to jeffe...@antelecom.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:44:15 -0500 > From: Jim Dunstan <jduns...@tbaytel.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PB and the original Gui > To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20091128192626.00c26...@mail.tbaytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 11:00 AM 11/28/2009 +0800, you wrote: >>As a new owner of the Flex 3000 and a former owner of the 2nd SDR1000 in >>Australia, I was most disappointed to see the GUI had not moved on from >>that clinical Windows look. >>I installed PB and was instantly pleased that it had progressed somewhat. >>However when you look at the beautiful job that SDRMAX III and to a lesser >>extent SDRMAX II does for the QS1R it appears Powersdr still has quite a >>way to go. >>I sold my SDR1000 some years ago because of the GUI, no other reason, so >>hopefully something along the lines of SDRMAX III comes along soon to make >>a much more visually presentable package. >>And also I keep seeing references to "Deep Impact" but can find nothing in >>the knowledge base, is it sooo secret ?? >>I am delighted with the Flex 3000 by the way, its receiver is almost the >>equal of my K3 and exceeds my IC 781, all it needs is too look better ! >>73 >>Keith >> >>-- >>Keith Bainbridge >> >>VK6RK, ex VK6XH >>VK6EME > > > Hi Keith, > > You are going to get a lot of flak from those die-hard fans who believe > that the more mundane and complicated the interface the more it is in > keeping with true Amateur Radio tradition. I am also an ex SDR-1000 owner > .... and dumped it (although I was impressed with performance and > potential). The new SDR iterations are very tempting with the built in > AD/DA conversion eliminating the octopus of cables. However I am not > impressed with the software interface ... it is complicated and Amateurish > indeed. If they still designed aircraft cockpit controls like that there > would be a flood of disasters ... (the die-hard operators would of course > attribute them to pilot error hi hi). > > I don't belittle the work and effort that has no doubt been put into > developing the software ... however the way it looks and feels on the > computer (I believe it is called GUI) is very primitive. It is not simply > the way it looks ... but more important the way it interacts with the > operator .... e.g. lets avoid excessive pilot error. hi hi > > Jim, VE3CI > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:21:42 -0500 > From: Edwin Marzan <edwin_mar...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PB and the original Gui > To: <jduns...@tbaytel.net>, <flexradio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <blu149-w222ff929c1424c2e1fe80dea...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Interesting discussion. > > > > To expect an SDR system designed using windows development software not to > look and feel like windows is a bit unrealistic. The folks at Flex are > probably interested in > > squashing bugs and improving the performance of this fantastic family of > radios. In its current incarnation the interface is more than adequate. > When the time is right, and only Gerald and company know when that will > be, future enhancements will allow for complete customization of the > interface to each users taste. You'll be able to add and remove buttons, > change the color and appearance of any skins, change the fonts, size and > colors of any text, enlarge the S-meter and stretch the panadaptor as wide > as you like and also be able to move any items to any location on the > console. If you can't wait for that then you could always use the > development kit to change whatever you like. The key here is that it can > be done. > > > > > > Edwin Marzan AB2VW > > > >> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:44:15 -0500 >> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> From: jduns...@tbaytel.net >> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PB and the original Gui >> >> At 11:00 AM 11/28/2009 +0800, you wrote: >> >As a new owner of the Flex 3000 and a former owner of the 2nd SDR1000 in >> >Australia, I was most disappointed to see the GUI had not moved on from >> >that clinical Windows look. >> >I installed PB and was instantly pleased that it had progressed >> >somewhat. >> >However when you look at the beautiful job that SDRMAX III and to a >> >lesser >> >extent SDRMAX II does for the QS1R it appears Powersdr still has quite a >> >way to go. >> >I sold my SDR1000 some years ago because of the GUI, no other reason, so >> >hopefully something along the lines of SDRMAX III comes along soon to >> >make >> >a much more visually presentable package. >> >And also I keep seeing references to "Deep Impact" but can find nothing >> >in >> >the knowledge base, is it sooo secret ?? >> >I am delighted with the Flex 3000 by the way, its receiver is almost the >> >equal of my K3 and exceeds my IC 781, all it needs is too look better ! >> >73 >> >Keith >> > >> >-- >> >Keith Bainbridge >> > >> >VK6RK, ex VK6XH >> >VK6EME >> >> >> Hi Keith, >> >> You are going to get a lot of flak from those die-hard fans who believe >> that the more mundane and complicated the interface the more it is in >> keeping with true Amateur Radio tradition. I am also an ex SDR-1000 owner >> .... and dumped it (although I was impressed with performance and >> potential). The new SDR iterations are very tempting with the built in >> AD/DA conversion eliminating the octopus of cables. However I am not >> impressed with the software interface ... it is complicated and >> Amateurish >> indeed. If they still designed aircraft cockpit controls like that there >> would be a flood of disasters ... (the die-hard operators would of course >> attribute them to pilot error hi hi). >> >> I don't belittle the work and effort that has no doubt been put into >> developing the software ... however the way it looks and feels on the >> computer (I believe it is called GUI) is very primitive. It is not simply >> the way it looks ... but more important the way it interacts with the >> operator .... e.g. lets avoid excessive pilot error. hi hi >> >> Jim, VE3CI >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> Message delivered to edwin_mar...@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. > http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_ MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:47:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Jim Jerzycke <kq...@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Water-cooled computers... > To: FlexRadio Reflector <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz>, > tpcj1...@crocker.com > Message-ID: <526714.37323...@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Couldn't agree with you more, John. > Before I built my Micro-ATX PC to dedicate to my 5000A, I was using a > several year old HP Vectra. Single-core 2.4GHz P4, 1.5 GB of memory, and > it never broke a sweat. > I think I paid $150 for it on eBay. > 73, Jim KQ6EA > > --- On Sat, 11/28/09, John Ragle <tpcj1...@crocker.com> wrote: > >> From: John Ragle <tpcj1...@crocker.com> >> Subject: [Flexradio] Water-cooled computers... >> To: "FlexRadio Reflector" <FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> >> Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 2:28 PM >> I think the problem is that many >> people do need water-cooled computers: that is,/* */they >> should throw their present machine in the lake and start >> over. Too many people bought a computer 10 years ago >> thinking that it was the last investment they would have to >> make in that department; alas, the pace of technological >> development has been such that their 10-year old computer >> might as well be from the last century. >> >> On the other hand, PwrSDR runs just fine on modern, quite >> modest computers, along with a host of other applications. >> The idea that the computer is an appendage of the radio is >> quite topsy-turvy...in fact the radio is just another >> computer peripheral, which cohabits very nicely with >> whatever other programs one wants to run. As Alan NV8A >> points out, you can buy into this game for < $500 at the >> present. Anxiety over a lack of computer power seems to be >> wasted worry, despite all the traffic on this reflector >> about "computer-ED." >> >> I'm with the guy who glued a knob on the front of his >> FlexRadio for Auld Lang Syne. It is probably at least as >> effective as power putty. An F5K would even take a nice >> HRO-style knob, the epitome of mid 20th Century elegance. >> >> John Ragle -- W1ZI >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/? Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> Message delivered to kq...@pacbell.net >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:01:14 -0600 > From: Ed Stallman <n...@airmail.net> > Subject: [Flexradio] memory upgrade ? > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Message-ID: <20091129070115.230a4...@dm0201.mta.everyone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Is their a way to find what memory sticks I have in my computer > without pulling one out and looking ? All I can remember is I have 2 > one Gig sticks Corsair. While placing my order for W 7 64 bit, I want > to order 2 more 1 Gig sticks. > > Thanks Ed > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:02:25 -0700 > From: Paul Shaffer <fl...@cyberplasm.com> > Subject: [Flexradio] sdr-1000 does work with win7-64 > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz, flexe...@flex-radio.biz > Message-ID: <4b128d01.40...@cyberplasm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It took me a couple of days but I got it working. All dlls are now x64. My > radio is 1 watt, with usb adapter. I had to sign porttalk and libusb0 with > my own test certs, and write a few glue lines for the open source Sdr1kUsb > dll. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:16:18 -0000 > From: <k...@live.com> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] memory upgrade ? > To: <flexradio@flex-radio.biz>, "Ed Stallman" <n...@airmail.net> > Message-ID: <col121-ds152549f3c728e3b1018ec8ee...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Give this freeware program (SIW) a try: > http://www.gtopala.com/ > A wealth of information is available on your system. > Rick > __________________________ > __________________________ > Rick Bischoff - K7ET > San Diego, Ca. (k...@live.com) > Fallon, Nv. (k...@cccomm.net) > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ed Stallman" <n...@airmail.net> > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 15:01 > To: <flexradio@flex-radio.biz> > Subject: [Flexradio] memory upgrade ? > >> Is their a way to find what memory sticks I have in my computer without >> pulling one out and looking ? All I can remember is I have 2 one Gig >> sticks Corsair. While placing my order for W 7 64 bit, I want to order 2 >> more 1 Gig sticks. >> >> Thanks Ed >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> Message delivered to k...@live.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4646 (20091129) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4646 (20091129) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:02:51 -0600 > From: Ed Stallman <n...@airmail.net> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] memory upgrade ? > To: <k...@live.com>,<flexradio@flex-radio.biz> > Message-ID: <20091129080252.230a4...@dm0201.mta.everyone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Ok Thanks , Tim and Rick . I've got it > > Ed > > > > > At 09:16 AM 11/29/2009, k...@live.com wrote: >>Give this freeware program (SIW) a try: >>http://www.gtopala.com/ >>A wealth of information is available on your system. >>Rick >>__________________________ >>__________________________ >>Rick Bischoff - K7ET >>San Diego, Ca. (k...@live.com) >>Fallon, Nv. (k...@cccomm.net) >> >>-------------------------------------------------- >>From: "Ed Stallman" <n...@airmail.net> >>Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 15:01 >>To: <flexradio@flex-radio.biz> >>Subject: [Flexradio] memory upgrade ? >> >>>Is their a way to find what memory sticks I have in my computer >>>without pulling one out and looking ? All I can remember is I have >>>2 one Gig sticks Corsair. While placing my order for W 7 64 bit, I >>>want to order 2 more 1 Gig sticks. >>> >>>Thanks Ed >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >>>FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >>>http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >>>Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >>>Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >>>http://www.flex-radio.com/ >>>Message delivered to k...@live.com >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature database 4646 (20091129) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature database 4646 (20091129) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: > http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > End of FlexRadio Digest, Vol 55, Issue 29 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to btr...@anvilcom.com _______________________________________________ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
