On Thursday 29 November 2007 12:29, gerard robin wrote: > On jeu 29 novembre 2007, AnMaster wrote: > > LeeE wrote: > > > Re the secondary flight controls, we need to allow for separate > > > ground steering and rudder control, in addition to differential > > > braking - with tandem and quadracycle landing gear you need to > > > steer independently in cross-winds - linking the ground steering > > > with the rudder doesn't work too well :) It is also something > > > that needs easy access to - I've been using Ctrl-'\' & 'z' for > > > this (I think they're currently unassigned or not appropriate for > > > the B-52). On my uk keyboard they're all conveniently close > > > together on the left-hand side of the k/b and it's easy enough to > > > hold down the Ctrl key with the little finger and operate the '\' > > > and 'z' keys with the other fingers. > > > > On Swedish keyboard at least, Ctrl-\ is near unusable, it means: > > Ctrl-AltGr-+ to get a \ > > Please consider non-English users. > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KB_Sweden.svg for how the > > Swedish one looks. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout contains several more > > layouts. > > I agree with AnMaster, > > That is the main (and difficult) problem with the users who don't > have the "luck" to use an English Keyboard. > > I recently worried that when ( july or august 2005) Melchior Franz > proposed to study and to find an "elegant" way to solve within FG the > keyboard mapping, nobody answered to his proposal , probably because > there is a majority within the FG community who use that "standard" > English Keyboard. > > So the 'non English Keyboard' users have only the solution to build > their own customized keyboard , their Eyes to Cry :( . > > Regards
I accept that this is a problem but I can't see any obvious solutions to it. As things are atm, there is a shortage of simple single keystrokes available because most of them have already been allocated and compound keystrokes, where a modifier key has to be used, are going to cause problems on different keyboard layouts, as you both point out. What this has high-lighted to me is that there is a clear difference between axis controls and toggle controls i.e. between stuff that controls +/- ranges and things that just switch things on and off. Doesn't immediately get us any further but from a usability point of view it's going to be easier to use compound keystrokes for toggle controls and simple keystrokes, requiring two key bindings, for axis controls. However, this doesn't fit with the idea of assigning different types of keystrokes to different areas of control e.g. simple keystrokes just for aircraft related controls, shifted keystrokes for sim controls etc. Until there's a good solution to this I guess anyone who isn't from Denmark, the Faroes, Portugal, Brazil, UK or Ireland is going to have to re-map this control locally. LeeE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
