On 8/17/2011 6:41 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM ("The next 700
programming languages")
You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn "the idea of Lisp"
now, I am wondering some what is exactly "the idea of Lisp"?
putting the phrase into Google doesn't seem to turn up many obvious
candidates.
a guess: only a few syntax elements and types can represent a large
variety of stuff (like, the world can be built up from a reasonably
simple core).
tried to make other guesses, but none really seem to stick.
maybe also "code is data" and a few other things.
(sorry, I tend to be a bit literal-minded and am not always so good at
figuring out things like this).
actually, it is sort of like the task of trying to write out a spec for
a high-level overview of my object system and core typesystem and
semantics. one has a sense of what it is, but trying to effectively
explain it is difficult. basic idea: class-instance + dynamic extension
+ delegation + scopes-are-objects + ...
sorry, I don't mean to make my stuff seem overly important, even if I am
prone to write about it a lot.
Cheers,
Alan
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*From:* karl ramberg <karlramb...@gmail.com>
*To:* Fundamentals of New Computing <fonc@vpri.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 PM
*Subject:* Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in
Smalltalk
Hi,
Just reading a Lisp book my self.
Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level.
The nesting in p/arentheses/ are hard to read and comprehend / debug.
Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it
more powerful.
The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more to
computing than text io
Karl
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM, DeNigris Sean
<s...@clipperadams.com <mailto:s...@clipperadams.com>> wrote:
Alan,
While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I
started learning LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather
than a cohesive language or philosophy (Scheme - which itself
has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What would you recommend
to "get it" in the way that changes your thinking? What should
I be reading, downloading, coding, etc.
Thanks.
Sean DeNigris
You wouldn't say that "Lisp 1.5 Programmer's Manual" is
outdated would you? :-)
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