2009/6/21 Ray Saintonge <sainto...@telus.net>:

> Sure, transparency is a problem, but its absence alone does not imply
> fraud.  It hurts the Iranian authorities even more if the vote count is
> accurate because nobody believes them.


Evidence the numbers were made up: humans are not very good at picking
random numbers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR2009062000004.html

(This is way off-topic ...)


- d.

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